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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Individual View Post
    Why should a Woman wanting to have an abortion be required to give any reason at all? All that matters is that she has decided she does not wish to bring forth a child into the world.
    The child is already alive. She’s deciding whether to kill it or not. Big difference.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    "Truths" 1 and 2 are essentially the same: thousands of late term abortions done every year for flippant reasons;

    Week distribution for when abortions are performed
    1-6 weeks. 34.2%
    7 weeks. 17.8%
    8 weeks. 13.3%
    9 weeks. 8.9%
    10 weeks. 5.6%
    11 weeks. 4.7%
    12 weeks 3.5%
    13 weeks. 2.8%
    14-15 weeks. 3.5%
    16-17 weeks. 2.1%
    18-20 weeks. 2.0%
    after21weeks 1.3%

    It's highly unlikely that the 1.3% of abortions done after the 21st week are done for "flippant". reasons. It is more likely that a wanted pregnancy has gone seriously wrong. No doc would perform an abortion on a normal, healthy viable fetus (after 24-26 weeks). They would lose their license and their livelihood by doing so.

    Guttmacher Institute survey: reasons for abortion:

    Not ready for a child or another child ………….. 25%
    Cannot financially support a child ……………… 23%
    Have other people depending on me.. .………….19%
    Unstable relationship with father or other………….8%
    Not mature enough………………….………………..7%
    Job and education leave no time for a child……….4%
    Health of mother………………………………………4%
    Health of fetus…………………………………………3%
    Incest, rape, family and father want abortion……….2%
    Other……………………………………………………6%

    How exactly, have you determined that women' attitude was "flippant"? You may choose to label as "flippant" the 1.3% of abortions after 20 weeks, but seems more like a pejorative rather than a reason.
    The article linked is also part of the Guttmacher Institute I believe, and according to it, a MINORITY of late term abortions are done because of a threat to the mother’s life or some fetal anomaly. The majority are done for many of the reasons you listed. Not wanting another child, having a bad relationship with the father, etc are flippant reasons to KILL your child. You have to put it in perspective. We’re talking about murdering an innocent child. Those are flippant reasons.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    There are many intelligent and legal reasons to regulate abortion. Accusing Liberals of pushing, defining reasons as "flippant", using the term murdering inappropriately, and using judgmental terms is neither intelligent nor helpful.

    It would appear that you had no other purpose for starting this thread than bashing women getting abortions. Everybody has already heard all of these accusations many, many times. They are irrelevant, unhelpful and silly.

    If you want to regulate abortion then it needs to be legal. Making things illegal drives them underground where they are uncontrolled, unlicensed, unsanitary. Regulation is not possible if something is not legal.
    The author admits that the purpose of the article is to push back against that late term abortion banning. And her arguments throughout and in her conclusion section are directed at the legislation.

    When we’re talking about murdering your child, reasons like “I don’t want another child; I have a bad relationship withy the father; and I’m addicted to drugs” are flippant. You have to put it in perspective.

    When it was legal to kill your slaves would you have objected to calling that murder? No. You’re playing a silly semantic game. If the law were just, killing your child in the womb would be illegal, so I’ll continue calling it murder.

    I’m sorry if you find my plain statement of facts “judgmental,” but frankly, I’m not concerned with offending those who defend infanticide.

    If you’ve already heard all of this before and it’s so silly, why don’t you show me how my statements are not supported by the study. We both know you won’t. You’re the one who’s not interested in having a rational discussion.

    The same “keep it legal so you can regulate it” argument can be made for everything that is or should be illegal. Why not make it legal to hire a hitman? That way you wouldn’t be forced to find some dangerous psycho on your own and possibly get killed. You can just go to the I-hate-my-husband kiosk in the mall and grab a business card of a hitman with a good record. If banning unnecessary late term abortion forces a woman to seek back alley means of killing her child, then I hope she gets caught in the act and thrown in jail.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    The child is already alive. She’s deciding whether to kill it or not. Big difference.


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    If its inside of her she gets to make the call.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    If its inside of her she gets to make the call.
    So if I were a tub of lard and I envelop my infant child in my fat rolls I can kill it if I want? How about if it’s a tiny premature infant and I stick it up my fat ass? You don’t actually believe in the principle you’re espousing.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    So if I were a tub of lard and I envelop my infant child in my fat rolls I can kill it if I want? How about if it’s a tiny premature infant and I stick it up my fat ass? You don’t actually believe in the principle you’re espousing.


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    Yes. Feel free to do both of those things. Lol

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Yes. Feel free to do both of those things. Lol
    I think you’ll find that opinion a pretty lonely one.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    I think you’ll find that opinion a pretty lonely one.


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    I dont think so at all. I am also pretty sure your life will never be threatened by pregnancy

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Yes. Feel free to do both of those things. Lol
    How about if I stick your car keys in my mouth? My car now?


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    How about if I stick your car keys in my mouth? My car now?


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    Please out whatever you like in your mouth. Lol

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