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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    The study linked below seems to be widely regarded as the best information on the topic of late term abortion. In it you’ll find some inconvenient truths for the pro-abortion camp. Among those are: 1) there are (at least) several thousand late term abortions every year in the US conducted for flippant reasons, i.e. not having to do with fetal anomalies or the life of the mother being at risk; 2) at least a few thousand late term abortions are performed each year in the US simply because the mother is already a single mother and doesn’t want to be raising another child on her own. (The reasons for the other half of the unnecessary late term abortions aren’t any better); and 3) there is no shortage of abortion clinics offering late term abortions. .
    OK let's set the record straight:

    The issue that initially angered conservative Christians was not abortion, but the denial of tax exemption to Christian schools formed to avoid desegregation. The 1973 legalizaion of abortion was either embraced by conservative Christian Churchs as a reduction of government interference into private lives or ignored.

    Jerry Falwell and Paul Weyrich, founder of the Heritage Foundation, had been searching without success for an issue around which to create a conservative power base. Conservative’s intransigent about de-segregation eventually ran afoul of the The Civil Rights Act and Green v. Connelly The IRS revoked the tax exempt status of segregated private church schools. The fury of conservative Christians over this “interference” by the government was the energy Falwell and Weyrich sought to harness.

    But they were savvy enough to recognize that the blatent racism of segregated school would never gain legitimate political momentum. They needed a more politically acceptable issue. The increase in legal abortions after Roe v. Wade was causing conservative Christians and Catholics some alarm. Falwell and Weirich redirected the fury over government interference in Cristian schools to interference with religious belief and conservative Christians coalased around the anti-abortion “Pro-Life” message. But, the catalyst for their political activism was not, as often claimed, opposition to abortion. The real roots of Christian political power lie not in the defense of a fetus but in the defense of racial segregation.

    After their early success in supporting a Pro-Life candidate in Iowa Wyrich and Falwell were estatic. They had their issue. Wyrich wrote, “The new political philosophy must be defined by us in moral terms, packaged in non-religious language, and propagated throughout the country by our new coalition. When political power is achieved, the moral majority will have the opportunity to re-create this great nation.”

    The words "re-create this great nation" coming from a religious group that believes in Calvinist theology should be of concern to those of us who believe in a government based on Constitutional law.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Good luck getting it back in there.

    And WHY would anyone do such a thing??????
    To kill their baby...

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    OK let's set the record straight:
    “The new political philosophy must be defined by us in moral terms, packaged in non-religious language, and propagated throughout the country by our new coalition. When political power is achieved, the moral majority will have the opportunity to re-create this great nation.”

    Making abortion an issue is the attempt by conservative religious leaders to use the energy and cohesiveness of the anti-abortion movement to politicize evangelicals to take part in politics and elect representatives that will promote their political, economic and religious beliefs.

    To understand what Paul Weyrich had in mind when he said "When political power is achieved, the moral majority will have the opportunity to re-create this great nation.” go to John Calvin's writings:

    “The Magistrate (government's head) is God’s vicegerent, the father of his country, the guardian of the laws, the administrator of justice, the defender of the Church.”
    “But in that obedience which we hold to be due to the commands of rulers, we must always make the exception, nay, must be particularly careful that it is not incompatible with obedience to Him to whose will the wishes of all kings should be subject, to whose decrees their commands must yield, to whose majesty their sceptres must bow”
    (from “The Institutes of Christian Religion”. John Calvin, 1536)
    Then read the mission statements of evangelical groups;

    “Evangelicals believe that government is a gift from God for the common good. Good governance creates the conditions in which human beings fulfill their responsibilities as God’s image bearers and as stewards of God’s creation.” (Mission statement of the National Association of Evangelicals)
    Focus on the Family: God has ordained all social institutions, including the government, for the benefit of mankind and as a reflection of His divine nature. The Supreme Court's imposition of the doctrine of separation of church and state distorts the Founding Father's recognition of our unequivocally Christian nation and the protection of religious freedom for all faiths. (“Focus on the Family”position statement on Church and State)
    it is up to Christians to “restore once again to America a biblically based legal system that protects all human life from conception to natural death,” (Cultural Impact Team Resource Manuel)

    The anti-abortion movement is not unborn babies is about conservative religious power vs secular law.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    That's not true, the Supreme Court upheld the 2003 Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act in the 2007 case Gonzales v. Carhart.
    What’s not true? Roe v Wade doesn’t say that late term abortions have to be partial birth abortions.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You made yourself clear.
    Yes, I did. Too bad it all went over your head. I choose my words very carefully, but I can’t help you understand them.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So let us REALLY set the record straight on late term abortion.

    From the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology

    Facts are Important: Abortion Care Later in Pregnancy is Important to Women’s Health - ACOG

    Abortion after 21 weeks accounts for slightly more than 1 percent of all abortions that occur in the United Statesi. Abortion later in the second trimester is very rare, and abortion in the third trimester is rarer still, accounting for less than one percent of abortions. The term “late-term abortion” has no medical definition and is not used in a clinical setting or to describe the delivery of abortion care later in pregnancy.
    The need for an abortion later in pregnancy could arise for a number of reasons, including fetal anomalies or complications that threaten a woman’s health. Women, in consultation with their physicians, must be able to evaluate all appropriate treatments and make informed choices about what’s best for their health and their pregnancies. Depending on the circumstance, this might include abortion care, induction of labor, or cesarean delivery. Women’s access to accurate, full information and care must never be constrained by politicians.
    Many abortions that occur later in pregnancy involve fetal anomalies incompatible with life, such as anencephaly, the absence of the brain and cranium above the base of the skull, or limb-body wall complex, when the organs develop outside of the body cavityii. In these cases, where death is likely before or shortly after birth, patients may decide whether to continue the pregnancy and deliver a nonviable fetus or have an abortion. In any case, the focus of medically-appropriate, compassionate care must be on the patient and what she feels is best for her health and her family.
    Abortion later in pregnancy may also be necessary when complications severely compromise a woman’s health or life, conditions which may also reduce the possibility of fetal survival. These might include premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta. Women in these circumstances may risk extensive blood loss, stroke, and septic shock that could lead to maternal death. Politicians must never require a doctor to wait for a medical condition to worsen and become life-threatening before being able to provide evidence-based care to their patients, including an abortion
    None of the facts brought up in that passage contradict anything I’ve said or anything in the study I cited. Great job Setting the record straight on late term abortion. The fact remains that the majority of late term abortions are NOT carried out for reasons relating to serious threats to the mother’s life or health or relating to fetal anomalies. And your little quote there doesn’t contradict that either.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    My uterus most certainly IS inside of my body. smh

    The fetus is INSIDE OF AND ATTACHED TO a woman's body. Until it is outside of her body, it is not a person. That is FACT in law. (In my country)
    Oh and I suppose you learned that in medical school? Lol I’m trying to educate you a bit here.
    And your claim that personhood ought to begin at birth doesn’t contend with the counter argument I laid out in the comment to which you’re supposed to be responding.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    20 weeks is mid term. Half of 40 weeks.
    And AFTER the midway mark, it’s the LATTER half of the pregnancy. It’s not like this is my term, lady.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    I asked for a LINK to the STATUTE.

    I have never defended the murder of children. Please do not lie about me.
    Go look up the statutes for yourself. And then you can look them up in other countries through history that have sanctioned the killing of slaves. You do realize the world is larger than America right? I don’t think you have to go statute digging to admit that there have doubtlessly been places and times when killing slaves was legal. So would you call that murder or not? To not call it murder just because the law hasn’t caught up yet is to play a silly semantic game. But you like word games don’t you scrabaholic.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Birth control fails. Do you support abortion if a woman used birth control and it failed?


    What more could she have done?
    It’s extremely rare that a woman would get pregnant while properly taking birth control. Of course it happens, though, so if I were a woman on birth control I’d make sure I found a guy who I knew could be trusted to pull out. Even in the absence of any sort of birth control, pulling out properly results in pregnancy about 1 out of 1000 times. Add birth control and we’re talking about a vanishingly small probability. In those cases, however, I should hope that a sexually active woman would be watching herself carefully and ensuring that she knows about her pregnancy before the fetal stage of development, i.e. before personhood. That way, if she doesn’t want to put it up for adoption, she can abort it.


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