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US fertility rate falls to 'all-time low,' CDC says

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The general fertility rate in the United States continued to decline last year, according to a new report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.

"The 2018 general fertility rate fell to another all-time low for the United States," the researchers wrote in the report, published Wednesday.

The report found that the general fertility rate dropped 2% between 2017 and 2018 among girls and women age 15 to 44 nationwide.

In 2017, the total fertility rate for the United States continued to dip below what's needed for the population to replace itself, according to a separate report published by the National Center for Health Statistics in January.
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US fertility rate falls to 'all-time low,' CDC says - CNN

My question is where is the proof by pro-choice groups who claim we are too overly populated?
 
Phys251 said:
The fertility rate has zero bearing on a woman's right to choose. :thumbs:
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For now. But you may find the Supreme Court entertaining depopulation as a compelling interest to restrict or eliminate it in the future.
 
Bucky said:
US fertility rate falls to 'all-time low,' CDC says - CNN

My question is where is the proof by pro-choice groups who claim we are too overly populated?
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I've never made that argument but I would like to point out that teen birthrates fell. Now, it's been a hot minute since I took a statistics class and I'm not sure how the drop in teen birthrates affect the overall infertility rate but from the article...

"The data also showed that the teen birth rate, for ages 15 to 19, fell 7% from 2017 to 2018. When examined by race, the data showed that teen births declined by 4% for black teenagers, and 8% for white and Hispanic teens."
 
Napoleon said:
For now. But you may find the Supreme Court entertaining depopulation as a compelling interest to restrict or eliminate it in the future.
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The fertility rate has ZERO BEARING on a woman's right to choose. :)
 
Napoleon said:
It may in the future. That is up to the Supreme Court.
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The SCOTUS is a political institution. Whether or not they understand what a right is is irrelevant to its actually being a right.
 
Phys251 said:
The SCOTUS is a political institution. Whether or not they understand what a right is is irrelevant to its actually being a right.
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You are making a lot of claims. Do you have any proof?
 
Phys251 said:
The SCOTUS is a political institution. Whether or not they understand what a right is is irrelevant to its actually being a right.
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Wrong. What is or is not a right and to what extent a right can be exercised is determined entirely by SCOTUS. That is the practical reality.
 
Napoleon said:
It may in the future. That is up to the Supreme Court.
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No it would fall to policy makers to pass laws that would make having and raising children more enticing to people.
 
Bucky said:
You are making a lot of claims. Do you have any proof?
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Napoleon said:
Wrong. What is or is not a right and to what extent a right can be exercised is determined entirely by SCOTUS. That is the practical reality.
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What you are advocating for is called legal positivism. Essentially, whatever the government says is morally right.
 
OrphanSlug said:
You found an article about one thing, trying to make it about something else, and you will end up doing a discredit to both conversations.

Congrats!
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It's his one and only skill set, let it slide.
 
Phys251 said:
What you are advocating for is called legal positivism. Essentially, whatever the government says is morally right.
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What I am pointing out is the reality of the world we live in. There is no big invisible man in the sky endowing rights or dictating morals. Those things are human social constructs subject to the shifting sands of the human condition. It is not rational to consider abortion as an imaginary inalienable right to the point of extinction - either of society or the species.
 
Napoleon said:
What I am pointing out is the reality of the world we live in. There is no big invisible man in the sky endowing rights or dictating morals. Those things are human social constructs subject to the shifting sands of the human condition.
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Very interesting that a male would suggest that women's rights are a "human social construct" that are subject to the whims of a government. :roll:
 
Phys251 said:
Very interesting that a male would suggest that women's rights are a "human social construct" that are subject to the whims of a government. :roll:
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As I said previously, it is not rational to consider abortion as an imaginary inalienable right to the point of extinction - either of society or the species.
 
Napoleon said:
As I said previously, it is not rational to consider abortion as an imaginary inalienable right to the point of extinction - either of society or the species.
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That is 100% irrelevant. :) I know this is a very difficult concept for you ;) so let me make it as simple as I can:

NOBODY should have the right to tell a woman that she must or must not reproduce. Nobody. Not you, not me, not the courts. :thumbs:

There is a term for a male who forces pregnancy on a woman. That term is called, a rapist. :)
 
Phys251 said:
That is 100% irrelevant. :) I know this is a very difficult concept for you ;) so let me make it as simple as I can:

NOBODY should have the right to tell a woman that she must or must not reproduce. Nobody. Not you, not me, not the courts. :thumbs:

There is a term for a male who forces pregnancy on a woman. That term is called, a rapist. :)
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The biological role of women in the perpetuation of the species was dictated by evolution. Denial of that basic fact is hubris. No woman has a right to pose an existential threat to society or the species. So if there comes a day when fertility and depopulation become very real problems then that hubris will go the way of the dodo. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
 
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