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Polls show highest level of support in decades for legal protections for abortion

Sheepdog said:
How is it racism to want black women to have access to the great and important womans health services offered at Planned Parenthood? :shock:
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It is racism to want them to abort but believing that whites should not have that option.
 
minnie616 said:
When I read about all the reasons that are listed as to why a woman chooses to have an abortion ...
convenience NEVER enters my mind.

I have to laugh when pro lifers say most abortions are performed for " convenience ".

If a woman does not have the finances to continue a pregnancy let alone raise a child.. Are we supposed to assume that paying for the pregnancy let alone the cost of raising an child is
just an " inconvenience" ?

If she does not want to be a single parent...we should just assume that being a single parent is merely a little
" inconvenience" ?

If her born children are already almost grown and she accidentally became pregnant during the change of life are we supposed to assume that experiencing a pregnancy that late in life is merely an " inconvenience "?

If a woman already has a few children and is already struggling just to feed the children she already has ...
should we assume that having another child at that point in her life would just be an " inconvenience?

I think NOT.

To me those reasons are not reasons of " convenience.".
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Well said, Minnie. :applaud:applaud:applaud
 
Sheepdog said:
Cowardly on your part. I have a hunch that if we went through your lists line for line, most of them are due to convenience issues whether it be money, career, or lifestyle.
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You can prove you are right very simply...post a list...let's do it!

Why wont you prove you're right? :mrgreen: It's your claim, it's your's to prove.
 
Sheepdog said:
Oh my God thank you for posting that, that is a beautiful list. Lets go through this thing line for line.


reason % of abortions
1. rape or incest 1 (0.4-1.3)
not convenience
2. mother has health problems 3 (2.8)
not convenience
3.possible fetal health problems 3 (3.3)
not convenience
4. unready for responsibility 21
child suffers, loss of a job or inability to find daycare means mother and child and OTHER dependents (kids, elderly, disabled) may end up out on the street or living in less secure neighborhoods
5. is too immature or young to have child 11 (12.2)
exactly the same as above.
6. woman's parents want her to have abortion <0.5
if a minor, she is probably living at home, dependent on parents. As a minor, they can control choices for almost everything. Means loss of education, development of career...these are not 'conveniences', there are things that someone's life and security depend on.
7. has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 12 (14.1)
may depend on that second income for a secure place to live, may not make enough to stay off welfare if have a kid, may end up living on the street or in an unsafe neighborhood. May not be able to meet obligations to employer, community, society.
8. husband or partner wants her to have abortion 1
may depend on that second income for a secure place to live, may not make enough to stay off welfare if have a kid, may end up living on the street or in an unsafe neighborhood. May not be able to meet obligations to employer, community, society.
9. has all the children she wanted or all children are grown 8 (7.9)
more kids would mean more financial hardship, may have to move to less safe neighborhood, physically not up to pregnancy (much higher risk).
10. can't afford baby now 21 (21.3)
may not make enough to stay off welfare if have a kid, may end up living on the street or in an unsafe neighborhood. May not be able to meet obligations to employer, community, society.
11. concerned about how having baby would change her life 16
may not make enough to stay off welfare if have a kid, may end up living on the street or in an unsafe neighborhood. May not be able to meet obligations to employer, community, society.
12. doesn't want others to know she had relations or is pregnant 1
If we didnt have the social stigma against abortion OR single mothers, these women wouldn't have this reason. If a minor, could lead to loss of a home, college, etc.
13. other

So line 4-13 (assuming on 13) are for convenience...or better yet SELFISHNESS (toxic femininity) issues. So MY BAD its not 99% but merely 92.6% of abortions that are due to convenience/selfishness/toxic femininity issues. My sincerest apologies I was mistaken. @Lursa
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Wow you are not very capable of understanding what you read. Please see bold above.

All those things can lead to a loss of a safe home/neighborhood. Most women who get abortions already have at least one kid and may have other dependents...it can put them all at risk. People have obligations and commitments to employers, community, society...would you teach your kids that these things are all just 'conveniences' and not to worry about missing school, not going to college, missing work due to sick time/child rearing? Just to assume it's ok to go on welfare? That's just a 'convenience?' Are these things just 'conveniences' in your life?

(and your math is STILL wrong. You cant add the % accurately apparently :roll:)

And who actually knows all this? Only the woman in her individual situation...not strangers.

And thus far, you are completely wrong: none of those reasons is about convenience, not even close. None are selfish...avoiding going on welfare or taking public assistance is NOT selfish. Keeping yourself and your other dependents safe is not selfish. Making the most of your opportunities in life and becoming a better contributor to society is NOT selfish.
 
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Sheepdog said:
How is it racism to want black women to have access to the great and important womans health services offered at Planned Parenthood? :shock:
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Because you are gleefully endorsing PP committing what you call murder for inner city people of color.

You clearly are posting that you support 'murdering' people of color by abortion, but not white people. Blatant hypocrisy AND racism. Two for one! A real bargain for any fantasy white supremacist society.
 
Lursa said:
Wow you are not very capable of understanding what you read. Please see bold above.

All those things can lead to a loss of a safe home/neighborhood. Most women who get abortions already have at least one kid and may have other dependents...it can put them all at risk. People have obligations and commitments to employers, community, society...would you teach your kids that these things are all just 'conveniences' and not to worry about missing school, not going to college, missing work due to sick time/child rearing? Just to assume it's ok to go on welfare? That's just a 'convenience?' Are these things just 'conveniences' in your life?

(and your math is STILL wrong. You cant add the % accurately apparently :roll:)

And who actually knows all this? Only the woman in her individual situation...not strangers.

And thus far, you are completely wrong: none of those reasons is about convenience, not even close. None are selfish...avoiding going on welfare or taking public assistance is NOT selfish. Keeping yourself and your other dependents safe is not selfish. Making the most of your opportunities in life and becoming a better contributor to society is NOT selfish.
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You can spin it as much as you want but every reason other than the first 3 are pure selfishness. If you didnt agree you wouldnt have to try so hard to explain it away. Ive seen it a million times in my career...the more 'splaining someone does, the more they start believing their own lies.

Lursa said:
Because you are gleefully endorsing PP committing what you call murder for inner city people of color.

You clearly are posting that you support 'murdering' people of color by abortion, but not white people. Blatant hypocrisy AND racism. Two for one! A real bargain for any fantasy white supremacist society.
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Wrong I just want black women to have access to healthcare, duh.
 
Sheepdog said:
Because its murder.
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OK, call it murder, ban it, make it illegal. So, how are you going to legislate control when it's illegal and goes underground. Underground you have no control, none, zip, nada. Anyone can get an abortion, any time, any where, done by anybody. Healthy, viable 8 month old fetuses can be killed in any manner, at any time in the pregnancy including after being born. There will be Dr. Kermit Gosnells in every city and town in the US. For every one that gets caught and sent to prison there will be another to take his place. Just like during Prohibition.

Wanting legal controls on a legal procedure, makes sense. Intelligent people can agree when abortion is appropriate and when it is not. People can discuss, plan, compromise, and make laws that regulate abortion when it is legal.

Those that want abortion banned are not interested in saving innocent lives. Banning increases the number of fetuses "murdered". When you cite "Toxic Femininity as the reason to ban abortions innocent lives are the least of your concerns.
 
Sheepdog said:
You can spin it as much as you want but every reason other than the first 3 are pure selfishness. If you didnt agree you wouldnt have to try so hard to explain it away. Ive seen it a million times in my career...the more 'splaining someone does, the more they start believing their own lies.

Wrong I just want black women to have access to healthcare, duh.
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Um, no, you can improperly interpret the written word according to your own rigid biases...that's all your personal liberty and choice. None of the reasons is selfish...if so, then I guess your own goals in life to care for a family properly, do your job every day and well, contribute to your community...all that is selfish too? Well, most of us dont dismiss the entirety of our lives so cheaply as you do then.

So now you are backpeddling on all your crowing about inner city people of color getting abortions? Again, the rest of of us are very capable readers...you have not demonstrated that. But openly lying? Come on...are you committed to your principles & beliefs or not?
 
Sheepdog said:
Wrong I just want black women to have access to healthcare, duh.
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Please don't lie. Your words are here for all to see:

Sheepdog said:
No they dont. Planned Parenthood needs to have their focus 100% on the inner city to help as many black women as possible murder little black babies.
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Sheepdog said:
But Im in complete 100% agree with liberal Democrats that black people should abort their babies. Planned Parenthood is doing great work in the inner city.
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Sheepdog said:
Well thats the most insane thing Ive heard today. Im guessing that just because they call themselves "Religious...." does not mean they are actually religious.

Kinda like the Patriot Act had nothing to do with patriotism.
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And you would be wrong.

Actually , the vast majority of the Jewish Faithful and large portion of The Protestant clergy and lay people are pro choice.

In fact the Supreme Court Justices took our Sincerity held religious beliefs into concideration when deciding Roe v Wade.

From Roe Part IX

There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. 56 It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. 57 It may be taken to represent also the position of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family.
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minnie616 said:
And you would be wrong.

Actually , the vast majority of the Jewish Faithful and large portion of The Protestant clergy and lay people are pro choice.

In fact the Supreme Court Justices took our Sincerity held religious beliefs into concideration when deciding Roe v Wade.

From Roe Part IX
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They are pro abortion for everyone else. They are anti abortion when it comes to their fellow jews. That is why there are jew Democrats in government who are anti abortion in Israel, but pro abortion in America. Of course Jews want abortion legalized, that is how they control the gentiles.
 
Sheepdog said:
They are pro abortion for everyone else. They are anti abortion when it comes to their fellow jews. That is why there are jew Democrats in government who are anti abortion in Israel, but pro abortion in America. Of course Jews want abortion legalized, that is how they control the gentiles.
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Perhaps you are unaware but the Jewish religion puts the life of the Born over the life of the unborn.

They are a large part of the Pro choice Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

Here is a quote that was posted on another thread by another DP person regarding religious freedom


Marxistleninist said:
Anti choice laws are a threat to my religious freedom as a Jew … because according to classical Jewish text and most rabbinic interpreters, a developing embryo or fetus is not ‘an unborn child’ or ‘person,’ but has the legal status of an appendage of the pregnant woman. It is part of her body, not a separate person, until the moment that a majority of a viable baby capable of independent life has been born.”
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Post #211

https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...ion-pro-abortion-types-22.html#post1070134451
 
Sheepdog said:
They are pro abortion for everyone else. They are anti abortion when it comes to their fellow jews. That is why there are jew Democrats in government who are anti abortion in Israel, but pro abortion in America. Of course Jews want abortion legalized, that is how they control the gentiles.
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It's too early in the morning for bigotry. Go away!
 
Sheepdog said:
They are pro abortion for everyone else. They are anti abortion when it comes to their fellow jews. That is why there are jew Democrats in government who are anti abortion in Israel, but pro abortion in America. Of course Jews want abortion legalized, that is how they control the gentiles.
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:lol: What a special post...!
 
Sheepdog said:
They are pro abortion for everyone else. They are anti abortion when it comes to their fellow jews. That is why there are jew Democrats in government who are anti abortion in Israel, but pro abortion in America. Of course Jews want abortion legalized, that is how they control the gentiles.
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Bodhisattva said:
:lol: What a special post...!
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Perhaps Sheepdog needs to get fixed.
 
Sheepdog said:
The percentages are in parenthesis.

The fact is that ALMOST ALL abortions are done because the TOXIC FEMALE was selfish.
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Why are men having sex with these women? They really ought to stop.
 
Dragonfly said:
Since technically you're absolutely wrong, you must have come to this conclusion from some other viewpoint.

Care to explain why you feel so adamant about this?
How have you justified your position on this?
What's your foundation of "logic" around abortion?
Why do you believe what you believe?
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If my girlfriend didn't have an abortion, I would have another child.
 
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