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New Abortion Laws Too Extreme For Most Americans

Lursa said:
That's not innocence, that is helplessness.

And if you removed the option for women to have elective abortions, then you are using force to overcome their will...making them helpless. Unable to save their own lives or health or futures.

Huh...exactly like the unborn. So...why do you still value the unborn over women? Sorry...you are using judgement and blame against women. Here's how it goes, thanks for reinforcing it:

Interestingly enough...I've discovered a pretty clear dividing line for "acceptable" for pro-life people. It's viewed the same very very frequently.

If it's the woman's 'fault' she got pregnant (she enjoyed sex, her birth control failed, etc.) then she should not be allowed to have an abortion.

If it wasnt her fault (rape, severe medical issues, incest as a minor) then she should be allowed to have an abortion.

So what we can see here is that:

--obviously most pro-life people do not view the unborn as equal... If the unborn was truly equal, you could not terminate its life in cases of rape or incest or even the mother's life to some extent. (There are a few pro-life people that do believe you cannot terminate the unborn in these circumstances and at least they are consistent.)

-- most pro-life people care more about judging and punishing a woman than they care for that 'innocent life'. (yeah, considering it punishment because the unborn is frequently referred to as a 'consequence')

So IMO the dividing line re: abortion for pro-life supporters has nothing to do with the unborn, it's all about the woman and how they judge her culpability in the pregnancy.​

Face the truth, it's all about how you value women...or dont. You make a personal choice to accord the unborn a respect and (imaginary) rights that you wouuld withhold from women...women that 'behave' in ways you dont approve of. Yet it's the exact same thing...you'd see women deprived of rights and health and self-determination in order to give those same things to the unborn.

Me? I value the unborn, but I value all born people more.
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I don't think some women give a rat's ass if they get pregnant as long s they can just kill it. Those are the ones I have a problem with.

Your trying to dehumanize the unborn is sickening. Needless to say, I have a problem with you also.
 
WCH said:
I don't think some women give a rat's ass if they get pregnant as long s they can just kill it. Those are the ones I have a problem with.

Your trying to dehumanize the unborn is sickening. Needless to say, I have a problem with you also.
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And that opinion, in bold, is total BS. That's something you WANT to believe of women and IMO, it's disgusting. False but still disgusting and disturbing that you'd want to believe it. I'd go so far as to say IMO NO women think like that.

I dont dehumanize the unborn...you dehumanize women by wanting them to incubate against their will, like broodmares. Taking away our will, our right to consent.

Dont kid yourself, you dont remotely hold any moral High Ground here.
 
Lursa said:
And that opinion, in bold, is total BS. That's something you WANT to believe of women and IMO, it's disgusting. False but still disgusting and disturbing that you'd want to believe it. I'd go so far as to say IMO NO women think like that.

I dont dehumanize the unborn...you dehumanize women by wanting them to incubate against their will, like broodmares. Taking away our will, our right to consent.

Dont kid yourself, you dont remotely hold any moral High Ground here.
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That would be your opinion.

You're all about a woman's freedom to have sex nilly willy without any regards to the possible outcome. THAT is disturbing.
 
vegas giants said:
Are you ok with killing some innocent unborn???
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I said there were exceptions for the health of the mother. After listening to the horrible, dehumanizing portrayal of the unborn by some posters here, I think that would be the only one.
 
WCH said:
I said there were exceptions for the health of the mother. After listening to the horrible, dehumanizing portrayal of the unborn by some posters here, I think that would be the only one.
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But not for a 16 year old girl raped by her father? She has to give birth to her brother/son?
 
WCH said:
That would be your opinion.

You're all about a woman's freedom to have sex nilly willy without any regards to the possible outcome. THAT is disturbing.
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You can be disturbed all you want over your own lies...since your supposition about me is 100% wrong. But just like the 1st amendment...I may not agree with what some people say, but I will defend and uphold their *right* to express it. Even yours. In this case, it applies to other women's choices to have sex when and with whom they choose. Men as well.

But your false statement shows just how your rigidly welded-closed mind limits your capacity for thinking.

You cant defend your own views, so you make some up for me. Not very capable in arguments either I see.
 
WCH said:
I said there were exceptions for the health of the mother. After listening to the horrible, dehumanizing portrayal of the unborn by some posters here, I think that would be the only one.
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I've seen none from pro-choice people that do so to the disturbing (and false) extent you did here:

WCH said:
I don't think some women give a rat's ass if they get pregnant as long s they can just kill it.
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WCH said:
I said there were exceptions for the health of the mother. After listening to the horrible, dehumanizing portrayal of the unborn by some posters here, I think that would be the only one.
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What about a woman who was raped?
 
WCH said:
That would be your opinion.

You're all about a woman's freedom to have sex nilly willy without any regards to the possible outcome. THAT is disturbing.
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And here we go! More, up-to-date info showing just how wrong your perspective is...how it's actually more harmful and encouraging MORE abortions. And the first sentence is exactly what I've posted over and over.

Young people have sex, whatever their elders say – they always have, and always will. Those with the least information and the least access to birth control are the most likely to suffer unintended pregnancies. And what greater incentive could there be for terminating a pregnancy than a culture in which reproduction out of wedlock is a mortal sin?

Who’s driving high abortion rates? It’s the religious right | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian
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Sure WCH...keep denigrating unmarried couples that choose to enjoy consensual sex. Now we have more evidence that you are just encouraging MORE abortions. So...your actions are self-righteously self-indulgent...driven only by the selfishness you accuse women of...and enable the very thing you say you're against: killing the unborn.
 
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Lursa said:
You can be disturbed all you want over your own lies...since your supposition about me is 100% wrong. But just like the 1st amendment...I may not agree with what some people say, but I will defend and uphold their *right* to express it. Even yours. In this case, it applies to other women's choices to have sex when and with whom they choose. Men as well.

But your false statement shows just how your rigidly welded-closed mind limits your capacity for thinking.

You cant defend your own views, so you make some up for me. Not very capable in arguments either I see.
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You are the one who is staunchly pro-abortion to the n-th degree. Who has the welded closed mind?
 
vegas giants said:
But not for a 16 year old girl raped by her father? She has to give birth to her brother/son?
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To me, that's a different set of circumstances. [a criminal act leading to a pregnancy] I doubt the 16 yr. old would have a say in the matter. Court would likely order the abortion.

Also this happens less often than the health issues leading to abortion. I'm more concerned with the majority willingly having abortions for convenience.
 
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WCH said:
You are the one who is staunchly pro-abortion to the n-th degree. Who has the welded closed mind?
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Not pro abortion.....pro it is non of your business what health care decisions and risks an individual makes.
 
WCH said:
To me, that's a different set of circumstances. [a criminal act leading to a pregnancy] I doubt the 16 yr. old would have a say in the matter. Court would likely order the abortion.

Also this happens less often than the health issues leading to abortion. I'm more concerned with the majority willingly having abortions for convenience.
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So that fetus gets the death sentence???? For what???

Your argument holds no logic.

You would kill innocent unborn
 
WCH said:
To me, that's a different set of circumstances. [a criminal act leading to a pregnancy] I doubt the 16 yr. old would have a say in the matter. Court would likely order the abortion.

Also this happens less often than the health issues leading to abortion. I'm more concerned with the majority willingly having abortions for convenience.
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Why is a fetus created by rape less worthy of being born than one of consensual sex?

Seems like you just want to punish the woman for what you deem a poor moral choice.
 
vegas giants said:
So that fetus gets the death sentence???? For what???

Your argument holds no logic.

You would kill innocent unborn
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I didn't say I would. Why are making out like I had anything to do with it?

In a perfect world there would be no abortions, IMO.
 
WCH said:
I didn't say I would. Why are making out like I had anything to do with it?

In a perfect world there would be no abortions, IMO.
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Would you?

In a perfect world thete would be no war
 
year2late said:
Why is a fetus created by rape less worthy of being born than one of consensual sex?

Seems like you just want to punish the woman for what you deem a poor moral choice.
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See #139. I already asked you.
 
WCH said:
You are the one who is staunchly pro-abortion to the n-th degree. Who has the welded closed mind?
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And yet you lie. That's just compounding your sins.

Please show where I EVER advocated that a woman should get an abortion? I have never done so. I have always strongly supported the idea that a woman should have a choice to make the best decision for her life, that of her family/dependents, and with respect to fulfilling her obligations and commitments in life.

I dont 'like' abortion. But I believe that pregnant women should have the same respect and self-determination as any other person and that their rights should always supersede any rights (imagined for) of the unborn.

You cant even argue this issue anymore, you have been reduced to posting lies about the pro-choice posters. You must have finally realized that all your arguments fail. Good...then spare yourself some additional repentance at His Knee in the future and stop lying about us.
 
vegas giants said:
Would you?

In a perfect world thete would be no war
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Like if my mother, wife or daughter were impregnated by a rapist? I don't know if I could bring myself to insist but, I imagine it would be their call.

Life is life...that can't be denied.
 
WCH said:
Like if my mother, wife or daughter were impregnated by a rapist? I don't know if I could bring myself to insist but, I imagine it would be their call.

Life is life...that can't be denied.
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It always is there call.

You support abortion on demand
 
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