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New Abortion Laws Too Extreme For Most Americans

I never said I support abortion for rape. Some here need further explanation.

You did everything but that. You said you'd leave it up to the woman...that's choice.

Like if my mother, wife or daughter were impregnated by a rapist? I don't know if I could bring myself to insist but, I imagine it would be their call.

Are you not aware of what you are writing?
 
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Stop running. Take a clear stand. You run out of fear of being clear

Like your wishy washy ass?

You have tried your best to hide your own opinion here. Hell, you're not even honest enough to label your lean.
 
Like your wishy washy ass?

You have tried your best to hide your own opinion here. Hell, you're not even honest enough to label your lean.

I support abortion for any reason up to the point of viability.


Now


Your turn
 
Never did. I explain that it is different from casual abortion. If you go to the hospital to report a rape you are given drugs to stop pregnancy or you wait to see is your are pregnant then take tests to prove the identity of the father. Hardly a spontaneous, premediated act by the mother.

Like I said, you pro-abortion posters are harping on the exceptions while millions are dying simply because they are unwanted....inconvenient.

word salad and semantics doesn't change the 'fact' that you stated, in essence, it is ok to 'murder' an unborn who was conceived as a result of rape. You're clearly picking and choosing which of the 'innocent unborns' you think it OK to 'murder', based on the circumstances of the conception. Is an unborn that is conceived due to rape any less 'innocent' than an unborn conceived under any other circumstances ?
 
I have great guilt from a child of mine who was aborted so, until you've been in my shoes, I'd find someone else to annoy.

Yes, I am aware of this...and your guilt is then spewed out on all of us.

If you really wanted to see fewer abortions, you'd look at the info we post with an open mind and realize that your virulent hate of women who have sex when you dont approve of it and that need abortions is all that comes across...nothing constructive.

You clearly are all for punishing the women, based esp. on your previous experience, since you cannot make the arguments that would refute our legal and moral arguments.

Your bobbing and weaving on the rape question is a good indicator. You are the poster boy for this:

Interestingly enough...I've discovered a pretty clear dividing line for "acceptable" for many pro-life people. It's viewed the same very very frequently.

If it's the woman's 'fault' she got pregnant (she enjoyed sex, her birth control failed, etc.) then she should not be allowed to have an abortion.

If it wasnt her fault (rape, severe medical issues, incest as a minor) then she should be allowed to have an abortion.

So what we can see here is that:

--obviously most pro-life people do not view the unborn as equal... If the unborn was truly equal, you could not terminate its life in cases of rape or incest or even the mother's life to some extent. (There are a few pro-life people that do believe you cannot terminate the unborn in these circumstances and at least they are consistent.)

-- most pro-life people care more about judging and punishing a woman than they care for that 'innocent life'. (yeah, considering it punishment because the unborn is frequently referred to as a 'consequence')

So IMO the dividing line re: abortion for pro-life supporters has nothing to do with the unborn, it's all about the woman and how they judge her culpability in the pregnancy.
 
word salad and semantics doesn't change the 'fact' that you stated, in essence, it is ok to 'murder' an unborn who was conceived as a result of rape. You're clearly picking and choosing which of the 'innocent unborns' you think it OK to 'murder', based on the circumstances of the conception. Is an unborn that is conceived due to rape any less 'innocent' than an unborn conceived under any other circumstances ?

Because it's about blaming the woman. You cant blame the mother in rape, you can for having consensual sex.

Of course the unborn is exactly the same, it's (imagined) rights and innocence exactly the same...they rarely if ever acknowledge that.

Because it's about punishing the mother. With a baby! And they say pro-choice people 'dehumanize' the unborn :roll:
 
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Because it's about blaming the mother. You cant blame the mother in rape, you can for having consensual sex.

Of course the unborn is exactly the same, it's (imagined rights and innocence) exactly the same...they rarely if ever acknowledge that.

Because it's about punishing the mother. With a baby! And they say pro-choice people 'dehumanize' the unborn :roll:

WCH is also making a blanket statement calling people 'pro abortionists.' He;s either being intentionally intellectually dishonest, or he doesn't understand the difference between 'pro-choice' and 'pro-abortion.'
 
word salad and semantics doesn't change the 'fact' that you stated, in essence, it is ok to 'murder' an unborn who was conceived as a result of rape. You're clearly picking and choosing which of the 'innocent unborns' you think it OK to 'murder', based on the circumstances of the conception. Is an unborn that is conceived due to rape any less 'innocent' than an unborn conceived under any other circumstances ?

Gee, that how I feel about all the excuses to kill the unborn I read here. A feeble attempt to justify millions of lives discontinued.

If a woman is raped and impregnated, at least she's got a decision to make that doesn't involve vanity.
 
Gee, that how I feel about all the excuses to kill the unborn I read here. A feeble attempt to justify millions of lives discontinued.

If a woman is raped and impregnated, at least she's got a decision to make that doesn't involve vanity.

So you are pro abortion.


I thought so
 
Gee, that how I feel about all the excuses to kill the unborn I read here. A feeble attempt to justify millions of lives discontinued.

If a woman is raped and impregnated, at least she's got a decision to make that doesn't involve vanity.

Then tell us WCH, other than typing in a message board forum, since you seem to be so highly vested in matters of the unborn....What have you done, what are you currently doing, and what will you continue to do for the unborn ? How much skin do you really have in the game ?.
 
Then tell us WCH, other than typing in a message board forum, since you seem to be so highly vested in matters of the unborn....What have you done, what are you currently doing, and what will you continue to do for the unborn ? How much skin do you really have in the game ?.

Voting....perhaps counselling those in need.

I already had the real-life experience of having a child aborted. Guess there's my "skin in the game"
 
Voting....perhaps counselling those in need.

I already had the real-life experience of having a child aborted. Guess there's my "skin in the game"

Curious. How/why did you get yourself in a position to impregnate a female who would intentionally abort ? If you care to share. ( if not, certainly understandable )
 
Voting....perhaps counselling those in need.

I already had the real-life experience of having a child aborted. Guess there's my "skin in the game"

"Skin in the game" that enables you to imagine you're justifying that women that would not be able to live in safe places, take proper care of all their children or elderly parents, that have to stay with boyfriends just in order to have 2 incomes to make the rent...those are the women you are accusing of 'vanity abortions?'

Your personal guilt is about 'your' poor choice(s)...stop projecting that onto pregnant women. This is a discussion forum and we are trying to conduct a discussion here, not have to deal with your personal issues.
 
I didn't say I would. Why are making out like I had anything to do with it?

In a perfect world there would be no abortions, IMO.

In a perfect world, there would be no unwanted pregnancies.
In a perfect world, there would be no poverty.
In a perfect world, there would be no homelessness.
In a perfect world, everyone would have health care.
In a perfect world, there would be no child abuse.
In a perfect world, there would be no rape.
In a perfect world, there would be no murder.
etc etc etc
 
He asked if I would support a law banning abortion in the event of impregnation from rape/incest. I don't think that law would ever be enacted.

Alabama's new law does not allow exceptions for rape or incest.
 
Would you differentiate from the one you casually aborted?

I believe Lursa has said she's never had an abortion.

I do not know what it is with these guys insinuating we have had abortions.

I had another poster a few weeks back show me a picture of what my baby would have looked like if I had not aborted it.
The reality is that I had (initially) an unwanted pregnancy, but decided I had the financial, medical, social resources to make it through pregnancy, let alone raise a child. I stayed pregnant even when several serious complications arose. If I did not have a high quality astute OBGYN I might be dead or on dialysis.The need for a c-section was just icing on the cake. How many of you could be off six months and be ok?

I do not know what is up with people trivializing the potential complications of pregnancy and how important it is to be able to go to an OBGYN that knows you and has the time to spend with you. Most women who chose an early abortion have no such luxury. Hell, alot of them would be thrilled to be housing secure...let alone secure with decent insurance.

But yeah, the pointing fingers and assuming we have had abortions is a bit much.
 
I believe Lursa has said she's never had an abortion.

And never had sex without birth control either, never.

And I cant take the Pill so it was always a conscious decision.
 
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