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A Federal Judge Has Blocked Ohio’s 6-Week Abortion Ban

minnie616 said:
If you wish to maintain control over one’s body , then prostitution would fall under that.

However , when discussing abortion and Roe v Wade it is not about control over one’s body.

It is about right to privacy and bodily autonomy.

There is a distinct difference between bodily autonomy which is right without restrictions and bodily integrity which is limited .

They are very similar but:

In one case, (autonomy) you have the right to not allow OTHERS to decide how to use your body.

In the other, ( integrity ) it's about having the right to do as YOU choose with your body.
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I didn't bring up control over a woman's body, Wayne did. my only point was if a woman has total control over her body she can do with it whatever she wants. Wayne believes in partial control, not full control.
 
Wayne Jr said:
A Federal Judge Has Blocked Ohio’s 6-Week Abortion Ban
Posted on July 3, 2019, at 4:49 p.m. ET

"WASHINGTON — A federal judge on Wednesday blocked an Ohio law banning abortion after 6 weeks of pregnancy, finding the law’s challengers were “certain” to win in arguing the law is “unconstitutional on its face.” Ohio’s Republican Gov. Mike DeWine signed the law in April, preventing women from legally obtaining an abortion after the fetus’s heartbeat can be heard, usually after about 6 weeks of pregnancy — before many women are aware they are pregnant. The law contains exceptions in cases of threat of “irreversible impairment” or death of the pregnant woman, but it has no exceptions for cases of pregnancy from rape or incest.

A month after the law was signed, the American Civil Liberties Union sued the state on behalf of Planned Parenthood and other local abortion providers. It argued that a 6-week ban violates US Supreme Court precedent that establishes a constitutional right to abortion — 1973’s Roe v. Wade decision — but also prohibits abortion laws that place an “undue burden” on women’s access to the procedure. Judge Michael Barrett of the US District Court for the Southern District of Ohio issued a preliminary injunction — a temporary block on the law going into effect until the case is finished — and wrote that the ACLU was “certain to succeed.” The law was set to take effect July 11.

“The Court concludes, based on current United States Supreme Court precedent, that Plaintiffs are certain to succeed on the merits of their claim that [the ban] is unconstitutional on its face,” Barrett wrote in his decision. Barrett is the latest judge to block state laws that ban abortion after 6 weeks, following state and local judges that have reached similar conclusions in Mississippi, North Dakota, and Iowa. Litigation is pending in Georgia, and reproductive rights groups have vowed to challenge a 6-week ban signed in late May by Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards. There’s also a lawsuit pending challenging Alabama’s near-total abortion ban. ..."

Some people just can't handle the idea of women being control of their bodies, making their own reproductive decisions.
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Democrats are notorious for appointing judges who will support democrat policies whether they are right and just or not. As happened in the California Proposition 8 case, a single.leftist activist judge can overturn laws supported by majorities of tens of millions of Americans.
 
marke said:
Democrats are notorious for appointing judges who will support democrat policies whether they are right and just or not. As happened in the California Proposition 8 case, a single.leftist activist judge can overturn laws supported by majorities of tens of millions of Americans.
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You might want to take a look to see who apppinted Judge Michael Barrett . You might want to look up his history.
 
marke said:
Democrats are notorious for appointing judges who will support democrat policies whether they are right and just or not. As happened in the California Proposition 8 case, a single.leftist activist judge can overturn laws supported by majorities of tens of millions of Americans.
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Judge Mike Barrett is the former Hamilton County GOP Chairman. He was appointed district Judge by W Bush, after Senator Mike DeWine, recommended him to the White House. While he is not a hard core conservative, he is no liberal and certainly not a Democrat
 
I posted this the other day, but it was in another topic.

But yeah! Another one blocked...just like every other attempt using 'heartbeat' criteria.

Lursa said:
Another attempt at draconian abortion restrictions stopped, at least temporarily:

A federal judge has temporarily blocked Ohio's "heartbeat" bill banning abortions as early as six weeks into a pregnancy from going into effect.

The law, which bans abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected and was signed by Republican Gov. Mike DeWine in April, was scheduled to take effect next week. The measure includes exceptions only to prevent the woman's death or serious physical impairment, and*could slap providers who violate the law with a one-year prison sentence and $2,500 fine.
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Should the Ohio law have gone into force, "one could characterize the obstacle Ohio women will face as not merely 'substantial,' but, rather, 'insurmountable,'" Barrett wrote.

Barrett also implied that he would rule against Ohio, writing that the law appeared to be unconstitutional.
"The Court concludes, based on current United States Supreme Court precedent, that Plaintiffs are certain to succeed on the merits of their claim that S.B. 23 is unconstitutional on its face," he wrote.

Referencing the 1992 Supreme Court decision Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which deemed laws placing an "undue burden" on abortion seekers unconstitutional, Barrett argued that the Ohio law "places an 'undue burden' on a woman's right to choose a pre-viability abortion."
Barrett also noted that "thus far, all other attempts by states to ban abortion beginning at the detection of cardiac activity have been invalidated."
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Judge blocks Ohio bill that would ban abortion as early as six weeks - CNNPolitics
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How hypocritical is it for pro-lifers and like-minded legislators to make claims like "abortion is murder!" "unborn babies the same as born people!", etc and then only attach sentences of a year in prison and a fine?

Just one more example that the priority here is punishing women and not actually preserving the lives of the unborn.

And IMO it's also hypocritical, if you believe all that crap, to punish the providers and not the women who seek the abortions. Why is that? Why shouldnt they also be punished? (I have one reason)​
 
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Wayne Jr said:
I mean when I had my wisdom teeth removed I didn't think it was funny. Where do these people even come from?
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Hysteria and acting out are the only responses some pro-lifers have because they only assimilate emotion and not facts.

Apparently, some have no arguments they can actually articulate and are reduced to hyperbole and inappropriate drama.
 
sangha said:
Legalizing prostitution leads to human trafficking
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That has been found true in some European venues, mostly because of poorly constructed laws and regulations. Yet stricter laws in Denmark and Hungary governing human trafficking and strict licensing for prostitutes has led to much lower ratios for human trafficking in both countries with stable numbers of professional prostitutes. Keep in mind human trafficking is not limited to prostitution, but also as source of low cost labor, including household servants and field workers as examples.

On the other hand, poverty in rural and small cities of eastern Europe remains as source issue for human traffickers, inclusive of voluntary participants. Organized Albanian criminals import Romanian, Albanian, Croates, Serbs, Cypriot, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Czech, Polish, Russian and other ethnic women to the US for prostitution and have no need to coerce anyone into the trade. A working girl here can earn enough in six months, touring the US, to go home with enough money to open a small business, buy a home and gain more education, earning 4-5 times as much money as they would earn in western Europe during 2-3 years in the same trade.

My niece went to Hunter College for nursing. One of her fellow students, from Poland, also studying to become a nurse, on a student visa, claimed she was earning more than $150k annually on the side, working as an "independent escort." Untaxed underground economy. She returned to Poland after 4 years with a degree, credentials as an RN, and more money than her father earned in 3 decades. My niece told me while this young woman attended Hunter, she usually wore designer clothes my niece nor any of the other students could afford. Most of her fellow students lived in scrubs, working part time in hospitals and doctor offices.
 
Perotista said:
I wonder how many folks actually believe a woman should be in control of their body. If they are true believers in that, not only abortion where a woman controls her body, but prostitution also where the woman has full control of her body. both ought to be left up to the woman, after all if she controls her body, its her choice whether to sell it or not just like abortion.

If a person is really pro choice believe a woman controls her own body, then either one, both falls into the woman's choice and control of her body.
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I support legalized prostitution. And assisted suicide.

And decriminalization of illegal drug use.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Again, since you didn't understand basic English the first time...this thread is not about prostitution. Please take your commentary about that topic elsewhere.
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You don't get to call the shots, nor tell other posters what they can say. You can request, but not demand. For many of us, abortion rights and prostitution are two sides of the same coin, control over a woman's right on how to use her body. Tangental discussion in all threads is not uncommon. Nor forbidden.
 
minnie616 said:
If you wish to maintain control over one’s body , then prostitution would fall under that.

However , when discussing abortion and Roe v Wade it is not about control over one’s body.

It is about right to privacy and bodily autonomy.

There is a distinct difference between bodily autonomy which is right without restrictions and bodily integrity which is limited .

They are very similar but:

In one case, (autonomy) you have the right to not allow OTHERS to decide how to use your body.

In the other, ( integrity ) it's about having the right to do as YOU choose with your body.
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Perotista said:
I didn't bring up control over a woman's body, Wayne did. my only point was if a woman has total control over her body she can do with it whatever she wants. Wayne believes in partial control, not full control.
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According to the OP it seems Wayne is discussing the woman’s control over her body Reproductive decisions which falls under bodily autonomy.


Wayne Jr said:
A Federal Judge Has Blocked Ohio’s 6-Week Abortion Ban
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Some people just can't handle the idea of women being control of their bodies, making their own reproductive decisions.
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TurtleDude said:
Judge Mike Barrett is the former Hamilton County GOP Chairman. He was appointed district Judge by W Bush, after Senator Mike DeWine, recommended him to the White House. While he is not a hard core conservative, he is no liberal and certainly not a Democrat
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A single homosexual democrat judge in California disenfranchised tens of thousands of majority voters and threw their majority law out because he personally did not like it. To hell with the Constitution when it comes to leftist partisans in the judicial system. Look at what the crooked partisans did in dropping charges against Jussie Smollet and in clearing Hillary of criminal liability without even investigation the allegations against her beforehand.
 
marke said:
Democrats are notorious for appointing judges who will support democrat policies whether they are right and just or not. As happened in the California Proposition 8 case, a single.leftist activist judge can overturn laws supported by majorities of tens of millions of Americans.
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You mean judge Vaughn Walker, appointed by Reagan and GHWB?
 
marke said:
A single homosexual democrat judge in California disenfranchised tens of thousands of majority voters and threw their majority law out because he personally did not like it. To hell with the Constitution when it comes to leftist partisans in the judicial system. Look at what the crooked partisans did in dropping charges against Jussie Smollet and in clearing Hillary of criminal liability without even investigation the allegations against her beforehand.
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No, that didn't actually happen.
 
marke said:
A single homosexual democrat judge in California disenfranchised tens of thousands of majority voters and threw their majority law out because he personally did not like it. To hell with the Constitution when it comes to leftist partisans in the judicial system. Look at what the crooked partisans did in dropping charges against Jussie Smollet and in clearing Hillary of criminal liability without even investigation the allegations against her beforehand.
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:laughat:
 
Anagram said:
You mean judge Vaughn Walker, appointed by Reagan and GHWB?
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That's the dirtbag. Homosexual pervert who overturned the legal majority of Californians just because he happened to be a Sodomite and did not like laws restricting his liberal support for sodomy
 
Perotista said:
I wonder how many folks actually believe a woman should be in control of their body. If they are true believers in that, not only abortion where a woman controls her body, but prostitution also where the woman has full control of her body. both ought to be left up to the woman, after all if she controls her body, its her choice whether to sell it or not just like abortion.

If a person is really pro choice believe a woman controls her own body, then either one, both falls into the woman's choice and control of her body.
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I believe prostitution should be legal.
 
Anagram said:
You mean judge Vaughn Walker, appointed by Reagan and GHWB?
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Marke is pointing fingers in all the wrong ways today.:doh
 
marke said:
That's the dirtbag. Homosexual pervert who overturned the legal majority of Californians just because he happened to be a Sodomite and did not like laws restricting his liberal support for sodomy
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Is that only why he did it, or does that apply to all of the other federal judges who ruled that way concerning same-sex marriage bans including the Supreme Court?
 
Anagram said:
Is that only why he did it, or does that apply to all of the other federal judges who ruled that way concerning same-sex marriage bans including the Supreme Court?
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Court decisions are rarely unanimous. A homosexual judge rules against traditional marriage laws and a conservative judge rules against homosexual marriage laws. Maybe they are influenced by personal tastes and maybe they are not. Who can tell for sure?
 
marke said:
Court decisions are rarely unanimous. A homosexual judge rules against traditional marriage laws and a conservative judge rules against homosexual marriage laws. Maybe they are influenced by personal tastes and maybe they are not. Who can tell for sure?
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You gotta love the fact that you totally lose your point on this issue and you immediately start gay bashing.
 
OldFatGuy said:
You don't get to call the shots, nor tell other posters what they can say. You can request, but not demand. For many of us, abortion rights and prostitution are two sides of the same coin, control over a woman's right on how to use her body. Tangental discussion in all threads is not uncommon. Nor forbidden.
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I didn't demand anything and I don't give a **** about your self-righteous lecture.
 
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