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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The most obvious omission is that the person the abortion is "being forced upon" lacks the mental capacity to choose. It follows that to become pregnant she was raped. She's pregnant but is unaware of the implications of that. As the judge said , once she has a tangible baby, then she could be distressed as in someone takes away her favourite new doll. A minor "operation" will soon be forgotten
    Is forcing a raped mentally handicapped woman to carry a rapist's baby to term a moral decision?
    They are not "forcing" her to carry the baby to term. That was her choice and is a choice supported by her mother and social worker. They are not allowing that choice because, as good quality Socialists, they know what's best for everyone and will impose their will as they see fit!

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

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    There's a big chance that the baby will also have some kind of disorder, which means we citizens will likely have to pay for it for the rest of our lives, or do you think that these mentally ill people are a contribution to our society?
    That's the other lovely thing about Socialists, eventually they get around to deciding who and what is a burden upon them and how it's all really for the best that only polite, obedient little blonde babies be bred.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Isn't it thoughtful how generous men are about telling women to solve the problem of unwanted pregnancy by just carrying it to term. Produce a child, send it off to be adopted. Problem solved. Easy-peasy. And no man has suffered a single medical, health, emotional or philosophical problem.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by nekrodev View Post
    Assuming this is true, which I doubt, given I can't find any non-ridiculous source for it - this would be awful, and obviously against what most people are okay with, as this removes "choice", a keyword in "pro-choice".
    Ditto. The only sources I can find are overtly Catholic. Having grown up in the UK I know this would have made mainstream news, however not even a tabloid source. So I doubt this story, if it even exists, is really as it's being presented.

    The source quoted is pretty pathetic. In the right hand column you've got a very healthy looking actor pretending to be a priest just died of cancer. WTF? Who can take this seriously?
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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Apparently a British judge is ordering a Nigerian catholic woman to have an abortion because of alleged mental disability. Make no mistake, the baby murder lobby has no limits, and seeing how the United Kingdom has no written constitution and no civil liberties to speak of, this is not surprising

    The United States should impose economic sanctions against the UK and cancel trade deals, if I were Trump this is what I would do

    UK court orders forced abortion for disabled Catholic, Nigerian woman
    What the **** does any of this have to do with socialized medicine? Why don't you educate yourself on a topic before spouting your usual moronic drivel?

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    So, you are a eugenicist.
    Consider the country listed as where this poster is from.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's the other lovely thing about Socialists, eventually they get around to deciding who and what is a burden upon them and how it's all really for the best that only polite, obedient little blonde babies be bred.
    Down's Syndrome virtually doesn't exist there...

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Ditto. The only sources I can find are overtly Catholic. Having grown up in the UK I know this would have made mainstream news, however not even a tabloid source. So I doubt this story, if it even exists, is really as it's being presented.

    The source quoted is pretty pathetic. In the right hand column you've got a very healthy looking actor pretending to be a priest just died of cancer. WTF? Who can take this seriously?
    I just checked and it has actually been confirmed by several other sources, so it looks legit after all, but seeing it covered without the blatant Catholic narrative driving it definitely makes a bit less "offensive".

    I don't know that I agree with the judges decision, and the woman's mother (presumably her legal guardian) is okay with caring for it - so I would likely lean in the direction of not forcing this, but it's also not my decision. This is a very complicated issue, and will only become even murkier once they confirm she was raped and find the culprit. I'd be interested to see if her mother had any knowledge about that.

    I'd be way more upset about the woman's bodily autonomy being neglected here than the fact that there's an abortion involved.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by nekrodev View Post
    Assuming this is true, which I doubt, given I can't find any non-ridiculous source for it - this would be awful, and obviously against what most people are okay with, as this removes "choice", a keyword in "pro-choice".
    Or it could be viewed as the "choice" being made from the origin of responsibility.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

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    Or it could be viewed as the "choice" being made from the origin of responsibility.
    are you referring to the government as the "origin of responsibility"? because i don't know that i have ever seen someone with that opinion, and i was under the impression that you were more libertarian leaning?

    either way, bodily autonomy is generally something that the person themselves make decisions for - although that wasn't really possible in this case due to the mental state of the woman.

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