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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Someone with the mental age of 6 cannot decide such things. Also the pregnancy was the result of a rape.
    Actually, her mental age is 6 to 9. If closer to 9, she's old enough to understand what is happening. At 9, I knew all about sex and pregnancy. Being raped has nothing to do w/ it. She AND her mother do not want an abortion. I cannot condone forcing one on her.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Actually, her mental age is 6 to 9. If closer to 9, she's old enough to understand what is happening. At 9, I knew all about sex and pregnancy. Being raped has nothing to do w/ it. She AND her mother do not want an abortion. I cannot condone forcing one on her.
    Being raped has everything to do with it. Only a sicko would want a child to bear a rapists offspring.
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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Actually, her mental age is 6 to 9. If closer to 9, she's old enough to understand what is happening. At 9, I knew all about sex and pregnancy. Being raped has nothing to do w/ it. She AND her mother do not want an abortion. I cannot condone forcing one on her.
    There is so much we do not know about the case. But I agree, forced abortion does not seem ok,

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Being raped has everything to do with it. Only a sicko would want a child to bear a rapists offspring.
    There is so much we do not know. What comes to mind is that perhaps she was left in a "school type" or other group situation and it could have been another severely mentally challanged individual.

    The only thing that is clear is whether she aborts or carries the baby to term, there is a world of hurt in this girl's life.

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Pro choice does not impose an abortion on anyone it allows the woman to have soul competency/religious liberty.

    Religious liberty is a core Constitutional right of the US.

    From the RCRC:
    This is not a religious liberty issue, which makes this entire argument irrelevant.

    The pro-abortion heresy club is simply not at issue, and their argument stinks anyway, itís a word salad of mushy terms. Having an abortion is not an issue of religious liberty, moral agency has nothing to do with rights, privileges or moral behavior, etc

    If you believe abortion is an injustice it is simply not an option to sit back and claim itís a matter of religious liberty to allow that to occur. In fact religious liberty is the opposite, the right to advocate for legal policy on moral grounds.

    Laws are only contrary to religious liberty if they impose a religious practice or require membership or establish an official religion. Issues like abortion are secular issues and an abortion ban would not violate any Part of the first amendment if it were applied equally. Nothing published by this group of people who I suspect are really secular atheists refutes any of this. And Iím not impressed by their name nor hold them as an authority of any kind
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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Mmm...that's not a definition, and most countries that employ socialist policies do not do that, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I think your premise might be a bit off...

    The baby murder lobby is exactly what it sounds like. Thereís the abortion clinics, and their allies in government positions who exempt them from every regulation and create propaganda likening abortion to a right
    Ok, so, basically an ugly sensationalist way of referring to pro choice folks? Do you think that makes people take you more or less seriously?[/QUOTE]

    There is no way I can phrase an argument that will cause you to take my position seriously.

    The left has completely bought the premise that abortion is not only a right, it is right, that the baby being killed has no societal value whatsoever and may be killed up to, and according to Ralph Northam, after birth. They refuse to concede it may be immoral in any way.

    Unless you undergo some form of spiritual transformation you are not likely to be convinced. Therefore I am only here to provide condemnation of a wrong.
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    I do not see were a woman has the right to take a child to full term.
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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The most obvious omission is that the person the abortion is "being forced upon" lacks the mental capacity to choose. It follows that to become pregnant she was raped. She's pregnant but is unaware of the implications of that. As the judge said , once she has a tangible baby, then she could be distressed as in someone takes away her favourite new doll. A minor "operation" will soon be forgotten
    Is forcing a raped mentally handicapped woman to carry a rapist's baby to term a moral decision?
    "Don't worry, baby, it will all be over for you soon, thanks to your butchering big government brother."

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The real hypocritical bull crap from the extreme pro-life conservatives is that the world comes to an end (or they make it out like it is) when a baker has to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, then it is "rights this, religion this, civil rights abuse here, god there" but when the matter is the right of a woman to have freedom of choice well then the rights of the women go right out of the window. Which just shows that they do not care about people's rights, only about their own biased hateful non existing rights.
    Because forcing a baker to make a custom cake is a violation of a specific enumerated right.

    There is no such right to abortion and after 8 years of Trump a new SCOTUS will get rid of the imaginary right to abortion somehow written in secret ink in the constitution.
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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Nap View Post
    Wow, so taking the child and putting it in foster care is more traumatizing than the government killing your child? This is a messed up story all around given that it seems the girl is mentally handicapped (not sure if that is the politically correct term anymore) and shouldn't be pregnant in the first place, but to go against the wishes of both the woman and her mother and kill the child is ridiculous.
    it was overturned on appeal, and rightlyg. But of course, there is more to this story than the bull**** one liners right wingers and that ridiculous source wants to make.

    and the dishonest, idiotic right wing tries to pin this on "socialism" because they have no fact, no logic, no reasoning.

    This has nothing to do with socialism, nothing to do with

    Meanwhile, kids dying in cages are OK with the right, so spare your outrage over something that didn't happen while you don't give a **** about what our country is doing to children and other people

    U.K. Appeals Court Overturns Order for Mentally Disabled Woman to Have Abortion - The New York Times
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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    "Don't worry, baby, it will all be over for you soon, thanks to your butchering big government brother."
    "Socialised Medicine" has nothing to do with the topic.

    This lady only gave birth because non=body noticed she was pregnant! (which doesn't speak well of the medical care, let alone the rape!

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    Re: Socialized medicine at its finest, forced abortion in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    This is not a religious liberty issue, which makes this entire argument irrelevant.

    The pro-abortion heresy club is simply not at issue, and their argument stinks anyway, it’s a word salad of mushy terms. Having an abortion is not an issue of religious liberty, moral agency has nothing to do with rights, privileges or moral behavior, etc

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    Of course access to birth control and abortion is a very legitimate argument.

    The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice has been working long and hard to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.

    Women with wanted pregnancies do not abort a healthy pregnancy.

    If abortions are banned in the US many women will have easier access to abortion pills and abortion numbers will increase.

    Many drug pushers will start pushing abortion pills.

    It was the Religious Coaliation for Reproductive Choice that fought hard for years to get prescription birth control medications and devices covered by insurance with no copays and the ACA did adopt the policy they tried so hard to get.


    I have stated many times that if both pro choice and pro life advocates worked together we could greatly reduce the numbers of abortions.

    Abortions have been lowed quite a bit the last decade thanks to comprehensive sex education and better access to more effective Birth control.

    As I stated on multiple other threads...

    Eliminating unwanted pregnancies will make abortion very rare.

    Women do not electively abort a wanted pregnancy.
    (When a pregnancy is very much wanted they abort only if something goes terribly wrong with the pregnancy.)


    The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC ) believe in Reproductive Choice. We do not try to force others to believe as we do. We just want Choice to make our own religious decisions regarding Reproduction.

    We are pro choice including access to contraception.

    We strive to lower the number of abortions through sex education, access to family planning, contraceptives, and adoption services.



    While our member organizations are religiously and theologically diverse, they are unified in the commitment to preserve reproductive choice as a basic part of religious liberty.

    From:

    Our rational, healing perspective looks beyond the bitter abortion debate to seek solutions to pressing problems such as unintended pregnancy, the spread of HIV/AIDS, inadequate health care and health insurance, and the severe reduction in reproductive health care services.

    We support access to sex education, family planning and contraception, affordable child care and health care, and adoption services as well as safe, legal, abortion services, regardless of income. As an organization committed to reproductive justice, we work for public policies that ensure the medical, economic, and educational resources necessary for healthy families and communities that are equipped to nurture children in peace and love.
    From RCRC Healthy Reproductive Service’s
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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