Illinois Governor Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions

From Maireed McCardle at National Review:

The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”

The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.

Illinois Governor & Abortion -- J.B. Pritzker Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions | National Review

Governor Pritzker thinks his signing this law will make Illinois a "beacon of hope." How tragic.

nota bene said:

Governor Pritzker thinks his signing this law will make Illinois a "beacon of hope." How tragic.

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The world is upside down.

nota bene said:

From Maireed McCardle at National Review:

The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”

The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.

Illinois Governor & Abortion -- J.B. Pritzker Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions | National Review

Governor Pritzker thinks his signing this law will make Illinois a "beacon of hope." How tragic.

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Hats off to Illinois for standing as a bastion to bodily autonomy when too many out-of-control states try to restrict it!

nota bene said:

From Maireed McCardle at National Review:

The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”

The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.

Illinois Governor & Abortion -- J.B. Pritzker Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions | National Review

Governor Pritzker thinks his signing this law will make Illinois a "beacon of hope." How tragic.

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Wonderful news

Josie said:

The world is upside down.

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As one of the few people on here that I sometimes disagree with but respect nonetheless, how exactly do you feel the world is upside down with this removal of government regulations?

And, before you answer, while I understand some people consider life to begin at conception, please remember that A) not everyone believes that and B) the law does not believe it.

With that said, how do you feel this topic makes the world upside down?

nota bene said:

From Maireed McCardle at National Review:

The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”

The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.

Illinois Governor & Abortion -- J.B. Pritzker Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions | National Review

Governor Pritzker thinks his signing this law will make Illinois a "beacon of hope." How tragic.

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Good for him. It doesn't go far enough, though. There should be no restrictions at all. It's for doctors, not the govt, to practice medicine.

Just like liberals to legislate, champion and celebrate death. The world is indeed upside down.

Democrats, the party of death.

Good for Gov. Pritzker, the Illinois legislature, and the good citizens of Illinois.

All religious handmaiden's can move to Alabama.

Rogue Valley said:

Good for Gov. Pritzker, the Illinois legislature, and the good citizens of Illinois.

All religious handmaiden's can move to Alabama.

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Or to Russia.

Crystal said:

Democrats, the party of death.

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You misspelled Republicans

Slyfox696 said:

As one of the few people on here that I sometimes disagree with but respect nonetheless, how exactly do you feel the world is upside down with this removal of government regulations?

And, before you answer, while I understand some people consider life to begin at conception, please remember that A) not everyone believes that and B) the law does not believe it.

With that said, how do you feel this topic makes the world upside down?

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I know not everyone believes that and I know the law doesn't believe that. That doesn't mean it isn't true. We've had many times in this country where the law said one thing, but many people have felt it was wrong. Right?

The majority of abortions are performed 13 weeks or before. I do wonder how many people who aren't opposed to abortion have ever seen a miscarried fetus around 13 weeks old? Have you ever seen video of a miscarried 12 or 13 week old fetus? They have eyes (unopened), arms, legs, brains, fingers, toes, a gender, a separate DNA from the mother, they move around their little arms and legs until they eventually die. How is this not a horrific practice to intentionally kill that which is obviously a human in it's smallest form? How is it that the same people who champion science seem to gloss over the science behind fetal development?

FYI -- I'm not getting into an abortion debate with the regulars here. This conversation is with Slyfox.

It is heartbreaking in a way. Otoh, what are we doing to these little ones by keeping them alive?
Sure, these are premies and not the result of abortions.
I am wrestling with this. A few more weeks, no abortion, and they can start their lives
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parents clinging to every sign of hope to keep their premie alive.

Josie said:

I know not everyone believes that and I know the law doesn't believe that. That doesn't mean it isn't true. We've had many times in this country where the law said one thing, but many people have felt it was wrong. Right?

The majority of abortions are performed 13 weeks or before. I do wonder how many people who aren't opposed to abortion have ever seen a miscarried fetus around 13 weeks old? Have you ever seen video of a miscarried 12 or 13 week old fetus? They have eyes (unopened), arms, legs, brains, fingers, toes, a gender, a separate DNA from the mother, they move around their little arms and legs until they eventually die. How is this not a horrific practice to intentionally kill that which is obviously a human in it's smallest form? How is it that the same people who champion science seem to gloss over the science behind fetal development?

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What makes the life of that 13 weeks old fetus more significant than the countless other lives that are lost to any number of preventable causes, lives of actual people?

FYI -- I'm not getting into an abortion debate with the regulars here. This conversation is with Slyfox.

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It is a public board and if you wish there are way to have private conversations, but as long as you post to other posters other posters can reply.

Crystal said:

Just like liberals to legislate, champion and celebrate death. The world is indeed upside down.

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Just like conservatives to post ignorant drivel consistently.

nota bene said:

From Maireed McCardle at National Review:

The bill scraps a requirement that a second physician sign off on an abortion performed after viability (around 24 weeks) and permits the procedure for the “health of the patient,” which includes “all factors that are relevant to the patient’s health and well-being, including, but not limited to, physical, emotional, psychological, and familial health and age.”

The law also repeals Illinois’s Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, although that procedure, usually performed extremely late in a pregnancy, is still prohibited by federal law. Certain non-doctor medical professionals would be permitted to perform abortions under the law, and all health insurers would be required to cover the procedure.

Illinois Governor & Abortion -- J.B. Pritzker Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions | National Review

Governor Pritzker thinks his signing this law will make Illinois a "beacon of hope." How tragic.

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Great news that someone is standing up to the manufactured outrage and faux "morals" of the moon-faced, drooling RW evangelical terrorists.

Lovebug said:

It is heartbreaking in a way. Otoh, what are we doing to these little ones by keeping them alive?
Sure, these are premies and not the result of abortions.
I am wrestling with this. A few more weeks, no abortion, and they can start their lives
vs
parents clinging to every sign of hope to keep their premie alive.

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My sister was a 4 pound premie! I am glad she’s alive.

Josie said:

I know not everyone believes that and I know the law doesn't believe that. That doesn't mean it isn't true. We've had many times in this country where the law said one thing, but many people have felt it was wrong. Right?

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Sure. Sometimes those things change and other times they have not.

Not believing in abortions is an understandable position. I would never say otherwise. But so is allowing women to make medical decisions regarding their own bodies and I do not see how Illinois allowing women to make their own medical decisions is the world upside down.

The majority of abortions are performed 13 weeks or before.

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Agreed. And most that are performed after 20 weeks are for reasons not related to "I just felt like it", including reasons related to the health of the mother. Which is part of the reason for the actions of Illinois here.

I do wonder how many people who aren't opposed to abortion have ever seen a miscarried fetus around 13 weeks old? Have you ever seen video of a miscarried 12 or 13 week old fetus? They have eyes (unopened), arms, legs, brains, fingers, toes, a gender, a separate DNA from the mother, they move around their little arms and legs until they eventually die. How is this not a horrific practice to intentionally kill that which is obviously a human in it's smallest form? How is it that the same people who champion science seem to gloss over the science behind fetal development?

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I think it is important to remember that not being opposed to abortion does not mean supporting abortion. Most people who believe in choice do so because they do not believe in pushing their values on others.

For example, I do not support abortion. I would never want any child of mine aborted. The same is true of my wife. But I also recognize it is not MY place to tell others how to live their lives or to pretend I understand their unique situation.

I have no problem with anti-abortion programs. I have no problem with providing more educational resources to discourage it. In fact, the number of abortions in this country is dropping.

But, again, it is not my place to tell others want to do with their own bodies or to demand their medical decisions conform to my beliefs. And that is how I see the actions of Illinois here, to give women/families the power to make their own medical decisions. I do not believe that is the world upside down, especially since the law currently does not recognize fetuses until birth.

FYI -- I'm not getting into an abortion debate with the regulars here. This conversation is with Slyfox.

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Amen. And I appreciate your response.

Crystal said:

My sister was a 4 pound premie! I am glad she’s alive.

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My sister was a 3-pound preemie (due in September but born in the last week of June), and I'm glad she is too. And I've a much older friend whose only child was born in 1957 weighing only 2.4 pounds.

I would like to think that nobody would want a viable fetus aborted at 25+ weeks because the mother isn't sleeping well for thinking about her situation or wants to barrel race or wants to play basketball and being pregnant is taking the fun out of it. And yet these are reasons that Dr. Tiller's rubber-stamp, Kristen (Ann K.) Neuhaus signed off on.

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I would like to think that nobody would want a viable fetus aborted at 25+ weeks because the mother isn't sleeping well for thinking about her situation or wants to barrel race or wants to play basketball and being pregnant is taking the fun out of it. And yet these are reasons that Dr. Tiller's rubber-stamp, Kristen (Ann K.) Neuhaus signed off on.

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Factually incorrect

nota bene said:

I would like to think that nobody would want a viable fetus aborted at 25+ weeks because the mother isn't sleeping well for thinking about her situation or wants to barrel race or wants to play basketball and being pregnant is taking the fun out of it. And yet these are reasons that Dr. Tiller's rubber-stamp, Kristen (Ann K.) Neuhaus signed off on.

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And I would think that no one would want to force a 13 year old child carry her rapist father's baby to full term, but that's what is happening in Alabama now.

I mean, if we're just going to pick out the extreme examples to make a point...I'm sure you were getting to that though, right?

vegas giants said:

Factually incorrect

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No, I'm not. See Part II of Neuhaus's disciplinary hearing that resulted in license revocation (pp. 331, 351, and 391, for example): [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]http://abortiondocs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/formal-hearing-vol-2-9-13-11.pdf

Or [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]http://abortiondocs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Chart-NeuhausPatients2.pdf

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]http://abortiondocs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Neuhaus-Disciplinary-PETITION-04-16-10.pdf

All the patients, eleven, are identified by number in multiple court documents available here: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://abortiondocs.org/clinic/abortionist/485/[/FONT][/FONT][SUB][SUP]
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Slyfox696 said:

And I would think that no one would want to force a 13 year old child carry her rapist father's baby to full term, but that's what is happening in Alabama now.

I mean, if we're just going to pick out the extreme examples to make a point...I'm sure you were getting to that though, right?

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The examples I offered weren't "extreme"; they were about the actual patients that Dr. Neuhaus rubberstamped for late-term abortions.

nota bene said:

I would like to think that nobody would want a viable fetus aborted at 25+ weeks because the mother isn't sleeping well for thinking about her situation or wants to barrel race or wants to play basketball and being pregnant is taking the fun out of it. And yet these are reasons that Dr. Tiller's rubber-stamp, Kristen (Ann K.) Neuhaus signed off on.

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Slyfox696 said:

And I would think that no one would want to force a 13 year old child carry her rapist father's baby to full term, but that's what is happening in Alabama now.

I mean, if we're just going to pick out the extreme examples to make a point...I'm sure you were getting to that though, right?

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I would like to point out that there are only 4 doctors and 3 clinics in the U.S.A. Who perform abortions past 24 weeks for extreme reasons.

From Romper:

In 2013, there were four doctors in the country who performed abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, according to Slate. (Current numbers could be even lower.)
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Dr. Gunter supplied a few facts of her own. Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen at, or after, 21 weeks, she said, and 80 percent of those are the results of catastrophic defects with the fetus.

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None of the 3 Clinics are in state of Illinois.

Currently there are several states with no restrictions on abortions.

This new law wil not increase the number of late term abortions.

It does however , reaffirm that Illinois supports and recognizes Roe .

As for Intact D and E ( called partial birth by some ) it is legal under Federal law already in cases where the fetus is already dead in utero before extraction of the fetus begins.