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Re: Thumb off the scales, please

marke said:
No. Your vision is too narrow. The military has supervisory positions called "Master," like master sergeant, and master chief. "Master" is also sometimes used to designate experienced journeymen craftsmen who are responsible to teach apprentices, and things like that.

A simple dictionary search will reveal several different types of humans of superior authority, education, skills, oversight responsibility and others, referred to as "master."
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I'm not in the military, so I don't need to obey them.
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

marke said:
Which of either of the following two doctrines should be forced onto kids in American schools?

1. Homosexuality is healthy and should be accepted and even embraced by all people.
2. Homosexuality is unhealthy and should not be accepted by civilized people.

Which of the following doctrines should be taught to school kids?

1. God created the heaven and earth and life on earth.
2. Science has not yet identified how life began on earth except that it is a fact that God was not involved.

Which of the following doctrines should be forced into instruction of school kids?

1. Global flooding caused the multiple evidences of rapid sedimentation preserving fossils in rock worldwide.
2. Fossils were formed by massive rapid sedimentation under extreme pressures under deep flooding which occurred in separate events.


The famous 1925 Scopes monkey trial was a fight over whether or not evolution should be taught to school kids. In support of its side evolutionists presented evidences for evolution which were all completely debunked in later years, including the most famous, the Piltdown man, which turned out to have been a deliberate evolutionist hoax designed to fool people into believing evolution was scientific fact and not unproven theory.



I'll tell you what we told state regulators in North Carolina more than 40 years ago: "We are not telling you how to teach children in public schools and you will not be telling us how to teach children in our Christian schools."

If you believe Christians are not jailed in the US for standing their ground against illegal state intrusion into religion then you should look up what happened to Lester Roloff, and others. Several pastors and Christian school leaders from North Carolina went to Texas to stand with Lester Roloff in his fight against the atheistic state in its illegal intrusion into religion, including the pastor and some members from our own church and school. The government shall make no law abridging the rights of Christians to believe and practice the principles of their religion.
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How about this. It just isn’t any of you business
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

marke said:
Which of either of the following two doctrines should be forced onto kids in American schools?

1. Homosexuality is healthy and should be accepted and even embraced by all people.
2. Homosexuality is unhealthy and should not be accepted by civilized people.

Which of the following doctrines should be taught to school kids?

1. God created the heaven and earth and life on earth.
2. Science has not yet identified how life began on earth except that it is a fact that God was not involved.

Which of the following doctrines should be forced into instruction of school kids?

1. Global flooding caused the multiple evidences of rapid sedimentation preserving fossils in rock worldwide.
2. Fossils were formed by massive rapid sedimentation under extreme pressures under deep flooding which occurred in separate events.


The famous 1925 Scopes monkey trial was a fight over whether or not evolution should be taught to school kids. In support of its side evolutionists presented evidences for evolution which were all completely debunked in later years, including the most famous, the Piltdown man, which turned out to have been a deliberate evolutionist hoax designed to fool people into believing evolution was scientific fact and not unproven theory.



I'll tell you what we told state regulators in North Carolina more than 40 years ago: "We are not telling you how to teach children in public schools and you will not be telling us how to teach children in our Christian schools."

If you believe Christians are not jailed in the US for standing their ground against illegal state intrusion into religion then you should look up what happened to Lester Roloff, and others. Several pastors and Christian school leaders from North Carolina went to Texas to stand with Lester Roloff in his fight against the atheistic state in its illegal intrusion into religion, including the pastor and some members from our own church and school. The government shall make no law abridging the rights of Christians to believe and practice the principles of their religion.
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And this is why we have separation of church and state.
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

Quag said:
That homosexuality is normal and about 5-15% of the population are attracted to those of the same sex
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Secularists can teach that homosexuality is healthy and moral in their schools, but not in Christians schools. We don't allow that sort of secularist barbarian crap to be taught in our schools.

That science has not yet identified how life began, God(s) involvement or lack thereof should not be taught in school.
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Secularists teach that science has no clue how life began on earth. Christians teach that God created life on earth.

There was no global flood so it should not be taught, the bible is NOT a science book
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Secularists teach that massive deep flooding did not occur and that fossils are the result of minor pressures under shallow sea flooding. Christians teach that fossils were made by rapid deposition of sedimentation from mass flooding under tremendous pressures supplied by deep ocean water cover.

Evolution is science creationism is just myths
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Worshippers of false gods erroneously think all life on earth evolved by dumb luck from stone cold dead chemicals in prehistoric bogs in alien atmospheres. Christians do not teach their kids that nonsense.

Myths should only be taught as long as they are taught as myths not science.
That's nice but still not proof of your claim that people are jailed for their belief in christianity
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"Back in 2011 Mark Mackey and Bret Coronado were arrested and charged with misdemeanor offenses for reading the Bible outside the DMV location..."
7 Examples of Discrimination Against Christians in America
 
Re: So file a bill of particulars

Somerville said:
Then there is actual scientific research and analyses
The evidence against Bishop Ussher's dating of the Earth to 4004 BCE is rather extensive
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Secularists have concocted for themselves very bad dating methods and have built upon those bad methods houses of cards that give the appearance of having been verified but which, in fact, cannot be verified due to all the errors in their methodology, assumptions, conclusions, interpretations, speculations, and computations.
 
Re: Modern society is not going to go backwards in time

minnie616 said:
My Christian Faith taught me that Fear God means we should respect God and awe of God.
It seems you /your faith interpret it as being afraid of God.
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Christians are to fear God, but not be afraid of God. Perhaps our disagreement is due to misunderstandings of various meanings associated with the translated English words.
 
code1211 said:
You are implying that Gosnell was the only doctor in the country that was doing this and that no other doctor or anyone is doing this today.

I find this very difficult to accept.
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So if there are "Drs" out there breaking the current laws...they are criminals. And as already proven, *dont follow the law*.

Good God, this isnt rocket science! :doh Yet here you are, complaining about laws you clearly dont understand, and believing these and potential criminals will follow more laws? :roll:

So, back to: how do new laws like those proposed by Gov Northam differ from current laws for preemies and newborns that enable parents and Drs to decide on the type of care to provide for them? And if there is a difference, will those be applied to the preemies and newborns too? What is the distinction that, thus far, you are only imagining here?
 
marke said:
Dummass interpretation of the Constitution: "Thou shalt not allow Christian witness in government buildings, but thou shalt promote godless secular humanist views instead in order to purge the government of religious views which include God in their tenets."
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So...you cannot answer with a rational response. Good to know. Once more you post imaginary garbage...you literally defined YOUR interpretation as 'dummass.' :lamo

Please, stop sinning with lies and try again:

So they should teach that the other religions are false and Christianity is the "one true religion?" How do we know that and how could the govt justify that decision? How do you justify disrespecting and discriminating against those other religions? Please answer before asking more questions.​
 
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Scrabaholic said:
That does not answer Lursa's question, which is: "If you have a class comprised of 10 Jews, 10 Muslims, 5 Buddhists, and 5 Christians.....what religion would you like them to teach?"

Why do you almost always divert and deflect when asked a question?
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It was Y2L's question but I'm right there with ya! He cant answer hers or mine honestly, so he refuses.
 
Re: Modern society is not going to go backwards in time

minnie616 said:
My Christian Faith taught me that Fear God means we should respect God and awe of God.

It seems you /your faith interpret it as being afraid of God.
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And that interpretation of his, seems to frequently spew out of such people as hate, intolerance, and a vile glee in telling people how God will make sinners suffer when they die. It's disgusting and driven by the fearful and impersonal relationship they have with God. Fear keeps people from close relationships in general....those people are poster children for demonstrating that. It's truly sad what joy and peace they are missing.
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

marke said:
Atheists have had some success in influencing the government to remove the ten commandments from federal buildings, to take down religious displays on public property, to restrict Bible reading and prayer in schools, to outlaw some Biblical teachings such as God's disapproval of homosexuality, and the list goes on.

It is not the government's job to join atheistic efforts to keep Christians from exercising their religious rights to believe and serve God as God leads them.
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The US is a secular state, with no state religion, & no established religion. The state does not favor any religion over any other. & therefore religious freedom does not excuse any excesses. The people who murder abortion doctors, for instance, are still subject to murder trials. Religious people may legitimately attempt to convince others of their belief, but if the would-be convert refuses the message, it may be actionable for the attempted evangelist to persist.

That is the paradox @ the heart of freedom of religion - an individual may choose Christianity, or Judaism, or Islam, or no religion @ all, among all the other choices. Under freedom of religion in the US, any one of those choices is valid, for the individual. Religious freedom of choice is in direct conflict with Christianity, for one. Does Yahweh not declare Himself to be a jealous God?
 
Re: So file a bill of particulars

marke said:
Secularists have concocted for themselves very bad dating methods and have built upon those bad methods houses of cards that give the appearance of having been verified but which, in fact, cannot be verified due to all the errors in their methodology, assumptions, conclusions, interpretations, speculations, and computations.
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How do you know that "Secularists have concocted for themselves very bad dating methods"? How can you make this judgement call in regards to the validity of the various techniques used in dating ancient objects?

What is your education in palaeontology, geology and anthropology? What do you know about the multiple dating methods used by scientists looking at ancient artefacts?
 
Re: Modern society is not going to go backwards in time

marke said:
I have been intimately involved with intense battles between the secular government and Christian organizations over issues about teaching children and instilling in them fear of God and respect for the Bible. That is where the battle lines have been made the clearest. The secular humanists in the state believe the US government has a mandate to insure children are not unduly influenced by Christians with ideas which run contrary to secular humanist beliefs, like about homosexuality, for example. The state is adamant that kids not be taught that God disapproves of homosexuality and secularists in the government are serious in their efforts to prevent Christians from teaching kids things like that which are in the Bible.

Christian men I have personally worked with as well as their Christian supporters have been jailed for refusing to bow to humanistic demands of the state. Those fights were real, they had real consequences, and the war is still raging.
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US secular government is not going to enforce teaching children about fear of God and respect for the Bible. That is completely off government's (public education's) role. It comes down to all or none - if the secular government recognizes Christianity's claims about fear of God and respect for the Bible, then it has to do the same for all the other religions in the US, & their particular emphases. As the US is enjoined from any such recognition, it chooses to recognize no particular religion's emphases.

Secular government is not anti-Bible (whatever that may mean); theology is simply outside the competence of secular government, & they will avoid the issue as best they can. You are free to enforce whatever theological constraints you want to upon members of your own church; but there is nothing in the Constitution that empowers secular government to act as enforcer for your church's particular issues.

Theological issues passed from civil law long ago in the US, probably upon the ratification of the Constitution & the eventual extension of the freedom of worship rights granted therein @ the federal level to the state level.
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

marke said:
Secularists can teach that homosexuality is healthy and moral in their schools, but not in Christians schools. We don't allow that sort of secularist barbarian crap to be taught in our schools.



Secularists teach that science has no clue how life began on earth. Christians teach that God created life on earth.



Secularists teach that massive deep flooding did not occur and that fossils are the result of minor pressures under shallow sea flooding. Christians teach that fossils were made by rapid deposition of sedimentation from mass flooding under tremendous pressures supplied by deep ocean water cover.



Worshippers of false gods erroneously think all life on earth evolved by dumb luck from stone cold dead chemicals in prehistoric bogs in alien atmospheres. Christians do not teach their kids that nonsense.



"Back in 2011 Mark Mackey and Bret Coronado were arrested and charged with misdemeanor offenses for reading the Bible outside the DMV location..."
7 Examples of Discrimination Against Christians in America
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Not all Christians believe your nonsense, most accept science and reality.
However you do not get to teach religions as fact in school.
as to the persecution you failed to provide a single actual act of discrimination. just Christian snowflakery on a grand scale
 
Lursa said:
So...you cannot answer with a rational response. Good to know. Once more you post imaginary garbage...you literally defined YOUR interpretation as 'dummass.' :lamo

Please, stop sinning with lies and try again:

So they should teach that the other religions are false and Christianity is the "one true religion?" How do we know that and how could the govt justify that decision? How do you justify disrespecting and discriminating against those other religions? Please answer before asking more questions.​
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No, the state should teach nothing about Christianity but should never teach secular opinions about Biblical truth as though Biblical truth is a lie or is wrong. When public school teachers teach speculations and opinions which contradict the Bible as settled facts they in effect cause the government to reject Christianity and endorse anti-Christianity.
 
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Re: Thumb off the scales, please

southwest88 said:
The US is a secular state, with no state religion, & no established religion. The state does not favor any religion over any other. & therefore religious freedom does not excuse any excesses. The people who murder abortion doctors, for instance, are still subject to murder trials. Religious people may legitimately attempt to convince others of their belief, but if the would-be convert refuses the message, it may be actionable for the attempted evangelist to persist.

That is the paradox @ the heart of freedom of religion - an individual may choose Christianity, or Judaism, or Islam, or no religion @ all, among all the other choices. Under freedom of religion in the US, any one of those choices is valid, for the individual. Religious freedom of choice is in direct conflict with Christianity, for one. Does Yahweh not declare Himself to be a jealous God?
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Children have no choice but to be taught their parents' beliefs and values. In spite of what "It takes a Village" author, Hillary Clinton may think, children do not belong to heavy breathing state officials to indoctrinate them as they see fit.
 
Re: So file a bill of particulars

Somerville said:
How do you know that "Secularists have concocted for themselves very bad dating methods"? How can you make this judgement call in regards to the validity of the various techniques used in dating ancient objects?

What is your education in palaeontology, geology and anthropology? What do you know about the multiple dating methods used by scientists looking at ancient artefacts?
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I f you are unaware of the multiple problems with various dating methods which secularists deliberately try to hide then I apparently know more about scientific dating than you do.
 
Re: Modern society is not going to go backwards in time

southwest88 said:
US secular government is not going to enforce teaching children about fear of God and respect for the Bible. That is completely off government's (public education's) role. It comes down to all or none - if the secular government recognizes Christianity's claims about fear of God and respect for the Bible, then it has to do the same for all the other religions in the US, & their particular emphases. As the US is enjoined from any such recognition, it chooses to recognize no particular religion's emphases.

Secular government is not anti-Bible (whatever that may mean); theology is simply outside the competence of secular government, & they will avoid the issue as best they can. You are free to enforce whatever theological constraints you want to upon members of your own church; but there is nothing in the Constitution that empowers secular government to act as enforcer for your church's particular issues.

Theological issues passed from civil law long ago in the US, probably upon the ratification of the Constitution & the eventual extension of the freedom of worship rights granted therein @ the federal level to the state level.
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Christians teach school kids about God's creation of the universe and life on earth. They teach children about the universal flood which explains how so many living creatures were suddenly covered by massive flood deposits which later turned to stone, and the fact that God opposes sodomy for very good reasons, among other things. Because the state is free to reject God and the Bible the secular state has adopted false doctrines and opinions of ungodly rebels against God and that is what they teach, effectively endorsing the lies and myths propagated by false religions.
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

Quag said:
Not all Christians believe your nonsense, most accept science and reality.
However you do not get to teach religions as fact in school.
as to the persecution you failed to provide a single actual act of discrimination. just Christian snowflakery on a grand scale
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Unbelievers in the state tried to send North Carolina pastors to jail 40 years ago but they failed. We will not be forced to teach our kids lies and myths designed by the devil to undermine respect for God.

Preachers like Lester Ripoff were sent to jail by the devil's emissaries.
 
Re: Thumb off the scales, please

marke said:
Children have no choice but to be taught their parents' beliefs and values. In spite of what "It takes a Village" author, Hillary Clinton may think, children do not belong to heavy breathing state officials to indoctrinate them as they see fit.
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What do you think should be done with those children whose parents disagree with YOUR beliefs and values? Are YOUR beliefs and values so utterly fantastic all children should be required (forced) to learn them to the exclusion of all other beliefs and values?

Then there are your ever so interesting tales of Christian persecution by those horrible secular humanists who are trying every day to destroy True Christianity :roll:

I have known people similar in religious faith to yours, one or two of them had done quite well for themselves in the business world but others lived in "double-wides" and blamed those 'others' for their economic problems.

Where I live now, a small island off the coast of Maine, we have one church, there used to be more but our population had declined until recently when better internet connections have brought younger families back, but we are still few in number in the winter months. Just one little point that shows that not all who call themselves Christian express the bigotry and hatred of your version -- our island church put rainbow flags across the front to show solidarity for our LGBT relatives and friends.
 
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