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Abortion Is Against Science And Common Sense, Its Murder

The public schools have more than enough to do as it is

marke said:
I am not in favor of public schools teaching that religious views are unscientific and unworthy of consideration in a well rounded education.
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The US government, & by extension the constituent state governments, are secular in nature. They are not allowed to favor any religion. & therefore, public schools - as a case of government - have no doctrinal position to make in regards to religious dogma. The public schools have curricula to teach, worked out by the various state Departments of Education. The public schools have quite enough to do; they don't need to go looking outside their curriculum nor role to go out & belittle purely religious positions. Nor is the latter the function of the public schools.
 
weaver2 said:
You make these wild accusations but you never give an example or a source or a report or even an op ed from someone other than a raving lunatic on the right or left. How about starting simple. Give us an example of the government driving religion from public discourse that you saw today at the grocery store, or the gas station, on on the street or a billboard that proclaimed there will be no more public discourse about religion. Show us something that you base your accusations upon.
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Can Christianity be discussed in public schools as an influence for good in society? Not according to some atheistic secularists who claim discussing God and the Bible is forbidden by the Constitution which, according to them, only endorses non-traditional theological beliefs, such as secular humanism.
 
year2late said:
So you are saying some religious views are scientific and others are not?

Which religions do not past "scientific" muster with you?
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Religions are not measurable by science, but interpretations of data in accordance with religious beliefs are matters of science. Take similarities of DNA between humans and plants and animals for example. Science does not prove humans are related to plants and animals by birth just because of similar DNA. Evolution is a theologically-based interpretation of data falsely called science.
 
weaver2 said:
There you go again. ............... another wild accusation: public schools are teaching religious views are unscientific and unworthy of consideration. Examples??????? Got any?????

And how come taking your kids to church doesn't fulfill the the requirements of a well rounded education, why does public education have to do this for you????
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Public schools in America today are one sided, not well rounded. Public education is not only non-Christian but in many cases unchristian. Secular humanism is a theological mindset which is as much a religion as is Christianity, and the public schools do not teach subjects from a Christian point of view, but from an unchristian secular point of view.
 
weaver2 said:
Examples????? Where are your examples of the government joining forces with atheists to drive Christians out of public buildings and public discourse. When were you last driven out of a public building???? Who has told you to stop talking about religion????? Is this site under surveillance by black-ops that report to secret agencies and next thing you know your posts are erased by the government?
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I don't pay attention to religious secularists who claim the government must stand against any public expression of Christianity on the assumed basis of the so-called 'separation of church and state' religious secularist doctrine.
 
Re: So file a bill of particulars

southwest88 said:
The US state is barred, Constitutionally, from establishing or even merely favoring one religion over another.
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And yet they endorse secular humanist religious views of millions of years of evolution and trash the testimony of the Bible that God created original life on earth 6,000 years ago.

Christian theological views are not banned from the public, the state is enjoined from favoring any religious view over any other.
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Some devout religious secular humanists demand that the ten commandments and scripture references be removed from inside and outside and on the face of government buildings. They want manger scenes to be taken down, crosses to be removed and any references to God or the Bible to be restricted in public. They have tried to hijack the Constitution by misinterpreting it to forbid any references to Christianity in public where religious secular humanists want to teach and preach their godless religion without interference.

secularist religious views is a clanking monstrosity of a phrase. That alone should tell you something about the content of the phrase, & its validity in the World.

If you think you have a case, please file a complaint. From my POV, you're working yourself up about Modernity - science, evolution, the uncertainty principle, higher criticism of the Bible, free public education, medicine, & so on. I don't see the point; it's much too late in the day, we're not all going to give up the technologies & engineering that now are required for us to live & work in relative comfort.
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Many modern conveniences have been given us by Christian scientists and engineers who get no credit from the disrespectful unthankful radical religious secularists with hearts of hatred toward God.
 
marke said:
Religions are not measurable by science, but interpretations of data in accordance with religious beliefs are matters of science. Take similarities of DNA between humans and plants and animals for example. Science does not prove humans are related to plants and animals by birth just because of similar DNA. Evolution is a theologically-based interpretation of data falsely called science.
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.You have no clue what you talking about.
 
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weaver2 said:
Tell us about the theological views of secular humanists? Show us some of their scholarly articles discussing their theology. Oh and to whom are they promoting this view? I haven't heard or read any. Tell us where you have seen this going on?
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Studies in theology 101:

1. Belief in God: Typical of the Christian religion.

2. Belief that there is no God: Typical of religious followers of Satanism, hedonism, paganism, secular humanism, atheism, and other isms and spasms.
 
Re: Call the question

southwest88 said:
In general, secular humanism denies or @ least deemphasizes supernatural causation; the emphasis instead is on what humans do in the actual World. So there are implications there for all supernatural belief systems. But TMK, secular humanism is not gunning to replace supernatural belief systems with itself - secular humanism emphasizes rationality in human affairs, to the extent possible.
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If secular humanists don't want to be known for their faith in the unseen and unknown then they should give up their notions that attempt to explain the origin of the universe and the origin of life on earth apart from God, among others.
 
Re: Death & taxes

southwest88 said:
These are your opinions, not facts. The state (the US) cannot establish a state religion, nor favor any particular religion over any other religion. You want to consider secular humanism a religion, in some sense analogous to Christianity.

Please clarify how secular humanism is like Christianity. If you can't do that, then you don't have an argument.
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By demanding that the state be religiously godless, it promotes godlessness as a religion.
 
Re: Death & taxes

southwest88 said:
Federal government, & by extension the constituent states, are enjoined from religious indoctrination. If the beef is that education & rationality make supernatural religion harder to justify - that may be a real issue. However, it is not government's role in the US to serve as an enforcer for any given religion.

The history of religions in the US argues that the separation of church & state has been beneficial for both sets of entities. Do you now want to do away with that separation? That would take a Constitutional amendment, & good luck to you.
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You cannot force teachers to believe one thing or another about God. They have a right to their own religious points of view and if their views are godless, the secularists say they can teach subjects from that religious perspective, but Christians are forbidden by secularists to teach subjects from the Christian perspective.
 
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weaver2 said:
"For Conservative Christian schools, the average adjusted school mean in reading was not significantly different from that of public schools. In mathematics, the average adjusted school mean for Conservative Christian schools was significantly lower than that of public schools". National Educational Assessment Progress

Your little Evangelical Christian School with it's rote learning curriculum purchased from for-profit Christian education corporations may be the exception but most conservative Christian schools do a really lousy job of education.
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Our Christian school is traditional. We teach subjects from regular textbooks and our students do better on average than students in our local public schools.
 
Re: The public schools have more than enough to do as it is

southwest88 said:
The US government, & by extension the constituent state governments, are secular in nature. They are not allowed to favor any religion. & therefore, public schools - as a case of government - have no doctrinal position to make in regards to religious dogma. The public schools have curricula to teach, worked out by the various state Departments of Education. The public schools have quite enough to do; they don't need to go looking outside their curriculum nor role to go out & belittle purely religious positions. Nor is the latter the function of the public schools.
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There are two main religious perspectives in America: One that believes God and one that does not believe God. Those who reject God have also hijacked the Constitution with bad interpretations to make it constitutional to reject God in Public schools in favor of those who do not believe God. Atheism has awarded to itself the exclusive endorsement of the Constitution in matters of religion.
 
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marke said:
You cannot force teachers to believe one thing or another about God. They have a right to their own religious points of view and if their views are godless, the secularists say they can teach subjects from that religious perspective, but Christians are forbidden by secularists to teach subjects from the Christian perspective.
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What the hell are you talking about now? You make no sense.
 
Re: The public schools have more than enough to do as it is

marke said:
There are two main religious perspectives in America: One that believes God and one that does not believe God. Those who reject God have also hijacked the Constitution with bad interpretations to make it constitutional to reject God in Public schools in favor of those who do not believe God. Atheism has awarded to itself the exclusive endorsement of the Constitution in matters of religion.
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Translation ----

Those that do not believe in God the same way I do are wrong.
 
minnie616 said:
Why do you find that hard to belief ?

IF there are any other doctors breaking the law they need to caught and sent to jail for breaking the law.

It takes a highly skilled doctor to perform a abortion past 24 weeks.
The skull is too large and hardened so labor or an intact D and E must be performed.

An intact D and E is against the law. ( there is a ban on partial birth abortions ) unless the fetus is already dead.

If the fetus is dead intact D and E are legal.

Intact D and Es allow Patients who are experiencing a miscarriage or who have fetuses diagnosed with severe congenital anomalies to view the remains, grieve and achieve closure.
In cases where an autopsy is requested, an intact procedure allows for a more complete examination of the remains.
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I agree that it's difficult. I agree with anyone who does anything that asserts that it's difficult.

There were about 75,000 abortions performed in just Florida in which e er year it was that i found the link to earlier in this thread.

Extrapolating that out to all 50 states is a pretty big annual number.

Of the more than a million doctors currently practicing in the USA, you say that only 4 are qualified to do this procedure? What if there is a problem threatening the woman's life requiring this and the 4 doctors are all playing golf?

This is the kind of fairy tale that undermines my ability to accept what you are presenting as fact.
 
year2late said:
OK, show me how he discussed how to end the life of newborn baby. No video clips please. Cite his words that give you this impression.
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The words and the video have been posted repeatedly in this thread.

What he said is obvious.
 
code1211 said:
The words and the video have been posted repeatedly in this thread.

What he said is obvious.
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Show the words. Post the words. I see no where he would discuss how to end the life of a newborn baby.

I mean unless you think hospice is "killing" a patient. Do you?
 
code1211 said:
I agree that it's difficult. I agree with anyone who does anything that asserts that it's difficult.

There were about 75,000 abortions performed in just Florida in which e er year it was that i found the link to earlier in this thread.

Extrapolating that out to all 50 states is a pretty big annual number.

Of the more than a million doctors currently practicing in the USA, you say that only 4 are qualified to do this procedure? What if there is a problem threatening the woman's life requiring this and the 4 doctors are all playing golf?

This is the kind of fairy tale that undermines my ability to accept what you are presenting as fact.
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I think when she is speaking to 4 doctors she is speaking to clinic doctors.

I believe the rules are different for in hospital later tern abortions. Does that help you out?
 
year2late said:
Show the words. Post the words. I see no where he would discuss how to end the life of a newborn baby.

I mean unless you think hospice is "killing" a patient. Do you?
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Please!
 
year2late said:
I think when she is speaking to 4 doctors she is speaking to clinic doctors.

I believe the rules are different for in hospital later tern abortions. Does that help you out?
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"Everyone must believe in something..."
 
code1211 said:
I agree that it's difficult. I agree with anyone who does anything that asserts that it's difficult.

There were about 75,000 abortions performed in just Florida in which e er year it was that i found the link to earlier in this thread.

Extrapolating that out to all 50 states is a pretty big annual number.

Of the more than a million doctors currently practicing in the USA, you say that only 4 are qualified to do this procedure? What if there is a problem threatening the woman's life requiring this and the 4 doctors are all playing golf?

This is the kind of fairy tale that undermines my ability to accept what you are presenting as fact.
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1.3 percent of abortions occur past 21 weeks. About 80 percent of those are for catastrophic fetal defects and most of those abortions take place before 24 weeks.

Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen at, or after, 21 weeks, she said, and 80 percent of those are the results of catastrophic defects with the fetus.
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Which States Offer Late-Term Abortions? They Are Very Difficult To Access



Hospital doctors are allowed to induce labor or perform a stat c-section at any point during a pregnancy in the case of an emergency. If the fetus was non viable it is called an abortion. If Born Alive than extraordinary care or Pallitive care is given.


From the following article:

There is a false belief that induction of labor early for a lethal anomaly is not an abortion. It is.

The end.

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Why can’t they just have a c-section?

First of all, a c-section for an early delivery of a non-viable fetus is still an abortion. #TheMoreYouKnow.

That people don’t grasp this is shocking. And why these discussions are best left to experts who don’t impose their own religion on patients.
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Abortions at or after 24 weeks are sometimes needed medically. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. | Dr. Jen Gunter
 
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marke said:
Can Christianity be discussed in public schools as an influence for good in society? Not according to some atheistic secularists who claim discussing God and the Bible is forbidden by the Constitution which, according to them, only endorses non-traditional theological beliefs, such as secular humanism.
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So ..... you got nothing; no examples, no quotes, no links just more accusations.
 
marke said:
Public schools in America today are one sided, not well rounded. Public education is not only non-Christian but in many cases unchristian. Secular humanism is a theological mindset which is as much a religion as is Christianity, and the public schools do not teach subjects from a Christian point of view, but from an unchristian secular point of view.
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Again, no quotes no links no examples just more accusations
 
Re: Call the question

marke said:
Studies in theology 101:

1. Belief in God: Typical of the Christian religion.

2. Belief that there is no God: Typical of religious followers of Satanism, hedonism, paganism, secular humanism, atheism, and other isms and spasms.
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Markie, you got nothing. Nada! You cannot show a single example to back up any of your nonsense about public education.
 
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