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    Re: Thumb off the scales, please

    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    So US children should be taught merely to obey? That's not the thrust of Enlightenment values - the underpinning of the US Constitution.

    & who, BTW, are the Masters listed above?

    & you're right, in that atheists aren't convinced that there is a god to worship. The agnostics are doubtful, but uncertain. The atheists seem to have found enough evidence to say No.
    Atheists have had some success in influencing the government to remove the ten commandments from federal buildings, to take down religious displays on public property, to restrict Bible reading and prayer in schools, to outlaw some Biblical teachings such as God's disapproval of homosexuality, and the list goes on.

    It is not the government's job to join atheistic efforts to keep Christians from exercising their religious rights to believe and serve God as God leads them.

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    Re: So file a bill of particulars

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Oh.my.god. You don't seriously believe the planet is only 6,000 years old, do you? It's over 4 billion years old.
    4 billion years old? Nonsense. The sad thing is that you cannot prove that any more than anyone else can, because it is not true. You are blindly echoing what others have told you that you did not adequately question. You should ask for some verification and you should make sure all troubling scientific evidences are dealt with before accepting speculations that are claimed by other reputable researchers to be false.

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    Re: Call the question

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    If you are going to call people dumbasses, perhaps you should spell the word right.
    I am spelling it right. I am not calling people what you think I am calling them.

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    Re: Thumb off the scales, please

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Masters? Only if they are into kinky sex games.
    No. Your vision is too narrow. The military has supervisory positions called "Master," like master sergeant, and master chief. "Master" is also sometimes used to designate experienced journeymen craftsmen who are responsible to teach apprentices, and things like that.

    A simple dictionary search will reveal several different types of humans of superior authority, education, skills, oversight responsibility and others, referred to as "master."
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    Re: Thumb off the scales, please

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Atheists have had some success in influencing the government to remove the ten commandments from federal buildings, to take down religious displays on public property, to restrict Bible reading and prayer in schools, to outlaw some Biblical teachings such as God's disapproval of homosexuality, and the list goes on.

    It is not the government's job to join atheistic efforts to keep Christians from exercising their religious rights to believe and serve God as God leads them.


    If Christians really wanted to put an iconic statement in public places they would have put up the Constitution. They didn't do that. Why do you suppose they chose to put the 10 Commandments, Christian crosses and Christian nativity scenes in public places instead of the Constitution? Do you suppose God thought they were serving Him or do you think God thought they were just jerks on a power trip?

    Anyone may pray in any public school. You just can't stand in front of public school students, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and non-religious, read your bible and tell people they are going to hell if they aren't your brand of Christianity. That's not piety. That's intimidation and you don't get to do that. Sorry. Sorry also, you don't get to discriminate against anyone based on what you say your God hates. That's just bigotry. Decent people don't do that.

    And yes it is the courts job to keep a lid on aggressive Christians, bent on unconstitutionally establishing their religion and only their religion in public places. If you don't like living with diversity look for other countries, see if they will tolerate your pushy, militant religiosity. You aren't going to find any country that will tolerate your intolerant, bigoted, science denying sanctimonious religiosity any better than the US does.

    Here's a thought: if the US were to declare Christianity the official state religion it would not be your evangelical brand of religion. It would look more like the Church of England and it would be tolerant, diverse, pro-choice, liberal and science-friendly. It would embrace all the things you hate.

    Think about that for a while. You live in probably the only country that tolerates your religious bigotry.

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    Re: Thumb off the scales, please

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Atheists have had some success in influencing the government to remove the ten commandments from federal buildings, to take down religious displays on public property, to restrict Bible reading and prayer in schools, to outlaw some Biblical teachings such as God's disapproval of homosexuality, and the list goes on.

    It is not the government's job to join atheistic efforts to keep Christians from exercising their religious rights to believe and serve God as God leads them.
    They are not stopped fr4om doing so however they are stopped from forcing their beliefs on others
    And that is a very very very very very very good thing
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    Re: Modern society is not going to go backwards in time

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    The Constitution says the government cannot restrict religion. It does not say the government must restrict religion.
    The Constitution says no such thing. Why do you post nonsense that can easily be checked.


    It says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

    It also says ... Article VI ....no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or public trust under the United States.

    Clearly the Constitution is establishing the fact that religion in the United States doesn't get to dictate how people have to behave.


    So, the free exercise of your brand of religion doesn't mean you can trample all over the free exercise of everybody else beliefs. In other words your free exercise of religion ends right where my civil rights begin. The court says I have have a right to privacy in making decisions about sex, who I have it with, reproduction, contraception, and abortion. So quit this shizzel about me disobeying the God you created and murdering little babies. It's not true and it makes you sound like one of those lunatics that stand on the street corners telling women they are going to hell. That's making the assumption you are smarter than those people..
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    Re: Call the question

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    A little research on the quality schools in NC shows only 4 Christian schools with top ranking out of the 107 top schools in NC. The other 103 schools were public or non-Christian private schools. Your little "better than average" evangelical school wasn't on the list. Christian schools on the list were:

    Christ School: all boys high school; ranked 15 out of 107; tuition $28,000/year; Average SAT scores 1310 out of a possible 1600
    Charlotte Christian School PreK-12. ranked 19 out of 107; tuition $19,430/year ; Average SAT scores 1230/1600
    Covenant Day School K-12. ranked 25/107; tuition $14,800; Average SAT score 1290/1600
    Cary Christian School K-12. 21 out of 107. tuition $7,836; Average SAT score 1310/1600

    Here's a run-down of the schools these average SAT scores will get these Christian students into
    1450 or better is needed to get into top tier colleges and universities like Cornell, UCLA, Brown, BC and BU
    1400 or better is needed to get into top tier engineering schools like RPI, Cal Tech (it will not get as student into MIT)
    1350 or better is needed to get into good second tier engineering schools
    1300 or better is needed to get into good second tier universities and colleges and some state universities
    1250 maybe squeaks a student into some second tier schools, maybe
    1210 gets a student into third tier schools and maybe some third tier engineering schools

    Here's the fun part. If these Christian students go to good colleges and universities in order to graduate they are going to have to take some pretty interesting courses that don't take Kindly to their Christian beliefs. Will these dear little Christian snowflakes seek protections from the real world or will they protest, march carry signs insisting that the college provide a a more balanced (read conservative) curriculum?
    There are 686 public high schools in North Carolina, and many or most of them have yielded average SAT scores of less than 1000. If a girl from a Christian school with an average SAT score of 1300 or better gets into med school, what are her chances of graduating? One of our own school graduates had an SAT score much higher than 1300 and she went on to graduate with honors from Bob Jones University and completed medical school more than 30 years ago and has been a licensed MD in Florida for all those years since graduating.

    A school, public or private, with an average SAT score among students may have one student who scores in the top 1% of the nation. Christian school students score better on SAT averages in North Carolina than are posted by public schools when all schools are factored in.

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    Re: Call the question

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    There are 686 public high schools in North Carolina, and many or most of them have yielded average SAT scores of less than 1000. If a girl from a Christian school with an average SAT score of 1300 or better gets into med school, what are her chances of graduating? One of our own school graduates had an SAT score much higher than 1300 and she went on to graduate with honors from Bob Jones University and completed medical school more than 30 years ago and has been a licensed MD in Florida for all those years since graduating.

    A school, public or private, with an average SAT score among students may have one student who scores in the top 1% of the nation. Christian school students score better on SAT averages in North Carolina than are posted by public schools when all schools are factored in.

    No, they don't, not when all the evangelical schools in the state are counted in.

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    Re: Thumb off the scales, please

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    They are not stopped fr4om doing so however they are stopped from forcing their beliefs on others
    And that is a very very very very very very good thing
    If I quote passages from the Bible demonstrating God's disapproval of sodomy, do you think that is forcing my beliefs on you? If you strenuously object to what the Bible says about sodomy and you let me know so in no uncertain terms is that not an example of you forcing your beliefs on me? If kids in schools are taught that homosexuality is OK in spite of what the Bible says is that not secularists forcing their anti-Bible beliefs on the kids?

    Do you think the US government has never told a Christian he cannot teach what the Bible says about sodomy without getting arrested? If the government does threaten Christians who express their disapproval of sodomy do you not think that is governmental endorsement of anti-Bible religious beliefs?

    Do you think it is OK for the government to endorse atheism but not Christianity? Is that because atheists claim their religious beliefs are not religious so as to trick the government into promoting atheism while suppressing Christianity all in the name of the Constitution?
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