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What Would Be Accomplished By Making Abortion Illegal?

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What would be the publicly realized benefit, or accomplishment of making abortion illegal across the entire United States?

Does anyone honestly think it would prevent abortions from happening?

What's the true goal with all this? What's the end-game?

What actually changes if abortion were to be declared illegal starting right this very moment?
More importantly, how exactly does YOUR life change?

Even more specific, if you're a male, what do you gain from a sweeping change to the law?
You're a guy. Abortion is now completely illegal.
What's the benefit for you?
 
Nothing would be accomplished. Nothing except exertion of evangelical and catholic moral will on the public majority. Evangelicals and Catholics gain literally nothing from this exertion. Well, maybe catholics do gain something, but I digress.

Outlawing abortion will simply allow strict and rigid police state tactics by the bible belt and some of the other nihilistic states in the MW.
 
Dragonfly said:
What would be the publicly realized benefit, or accomplishment of making abortion illegal across the entire United States?

Does anyone honestly think it would prevent abortions from happening?

What's the true goal with all this? What's the end-game?

What actually changes if abortion were to be declared illegal starting right this very moment?
More importantly, how exactly does YOUR life change?

Even more specific, if you're a male, what do you gain from a sweeping change to the law?
You're a guy. Abortion is now completely illegal.
What's the benefit for you?
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I have to wonder if R v W was reversed, if abortions might actually become more accessible (although less safe). I think drug pushers (who are still widely available from middle school and up) would get access to abortion inducing drugs. All of a sudden towns that never had an abortion clinic would have a pusher that could obtain the drug cocktail for them.
 
From the pro life perspective, the accomplishment would be to end a barbaric practice of murdering human beings.
 
KevinKohler said:
From the pro life perspective, the accomplishment would be to end a barbaric practice of murdering human beings.
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How does making a law against something prevent it from happening?

Many drugs are illegal. Do we have a drug problem?
Rape is illegal. Do rapes occur?
We have many laws against the unlawful killing of another human being. Do people still get murdered?


Making abortion illegal won't stop abortions from happening. It's a proven fact.

So in the end the theoretical accomplishment won't be realized.

Legal abortion will simply become illegal abortion. That won't change the fact that abortion is still a part of society.
 
year2late said:
I have to wonder if R v W was reversed, if abortions might actually become more accessible (although less safe). I think drug pushers (who are still widely available from middle school and up) would get access to abortion inducing drugs. All of a sudden towns that never had an abortion clinic would have a pusher that could obtain the drug cocktail for them.
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Interesting theory.
 
Dragonfly said:
What would be the publicly realized benefit, or accomplishment of making abortion illegal across the entire United States?

Does anyone honestly think it would prevent abortions from happening?

What's the true goal with all this? What's the end-game?

What actually changes if abortion were to be declared illegal starting right this very moment?
More importantly, how exactly does YOUR life change?

Even more specific, if you're a male, what do you gain from a sweeping change to the law?
You're a guy. Abortion is now completely illegal.
What's the benefit for you?
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Women wont have the authority to kill mens children without their consent.

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trouble13 said:
Women wont have the authority to kill mens children without their consent.
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How well did the laws work to stop Timothy McVeigh from killing many people without any consent from anyone?
 
Dragonfly said:
How well did the laws work to stop Timothy McVeigh from killing many people without any consent from anyone?
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Nowhere close to as many mens children are killed by their mothers each day

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KevinKohler said:
From the pro life perspective, the accomplishment would be to end a barbaric practice of murdering human beings.
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The facts don't bear this out. In fact, making it illegal makes abortions even more barbaric. Nations that prohibit legal abortions have a higher rate/ of abortions than do nations where it is legal.
 
Dragonfly said:
How does making a law against something prevent it from happening?

Many drugs are illegal. Do we have a drug problem?
Rape is illegal. Do rapes occur?
We have many laws against the unlawful killing of another human being. Do people still get murdered?


Making abortion illegal won't stop abortions from happening. It's a proven fact.

So in the end the theoretical accomplishment won't be realized.

Legal abortion will simply become illegal abortion. That won't change the fact that abortion is still a part of society.
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There will be less of it, though. Undeniable.

Since we began decriminalizing pot, that market has exploded. The reverse is also true.
 
KevinKohler said:
There will be less of it, though. Undeniable.

Since we began decriminalizing pot, that market has exploded. The reverse is also true.
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It is quite deniable, if one looks at the surveys on this very issue.
 
KevinKohler said:
There will be less of it, though. Undeniable.

Since we began decriminalizing pot, that market has exploded. The reverse is also true.
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I hate for facts and statistics to ruin your day but...

Induced Abortion Worldwide | Guttmacher Institute

[FONT=&quot]Abortion rates are similar in countries where abortion is highly restricted and where it is broadly legal. The abortion rate is 37 per 1,000 women in countries that prohibit abortion altogether or allow it only to save a woman’s life, and 34 per 1,000 in countries that allow abortion without restriction as to reason—a difference that is not significant.[/FONT]
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Making abortion illegal won't prevent abortion.

So let's stop pretending otherwise.
 
Dragonfly said:
I hate for facts and statistics to ruin your day but...

Induced Abortion Worldwide | Guttmacher Institute




Making abortion illegal won't prevent abortion.

So let's stop pretending otherwise.
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You gotta dig into those numbers to avoid what's happening to you, the correlation equals causation fallacy.

The increase in abortions in nations that have outlawed them has more to do with the concept of abstinence only birth control. Nations that allow open access to abortions, also encourage multiple varieties of birth control.

Correlation =/= causation.

Think about it...if the US got rid of speed limits on the interstate, would people drive faster, or slower?

If we got rid of laws regarding property theft, would theft go up, or down?
 
ocean515 said:
Well, people have free will. But the law did stop Tim from killing again, didn't it?
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In the United States over 60 percent of the women who abort are already raising at least one child.

If the women who abort are sent jail , there will be hundreds of thousands of motherless children.

The taxpayers will not only have to pay the jail expenses for the women but they will also have to pay foster care for the women who were single moms.

In 2006 ( latest stats I saw ) the cost of foster care for each child was $40,000 a year.
 
trouble13 said:
Nowhere close to as many mens children are killed by their mothers each day

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Which will still happen. There are even herbs that can be used to cause a miscarriage. Making it illegal will not stop abortions from happening. Also how would it be enforced? MAndatory monthly testing of every woman to see if they are pregnant? The only thing it will do is force women not go to a doctor.
 
KevinKohler said:
There will be less of it, though. Undeniable.

Since we began decriminalizing pot, that market has exploded. The reverse is also true.
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That is not true. Countries with abortion bans have more abortions than countries that do not ban them.
 
Dragonfly said:
Legal abortion will simply become illegal abortion. That won't change the fact that abortion is still a part of society.
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It's about punishing women who's behavior they dont agree with, not about the unborn IMO. (previously posted):

Interestingly enough...I've discovered a pretty clear dividing line for "acceptable" for most pro-life people. It's viewed the same very very frequently.

If it's the woman's 'fault' she got pregnant (she enjoyed sex, her birth control failed, etc.) then she should not be allowed to have an abortion.

If it wasnt her fault (rape, severe medical issues, incest as a minor) then she should be allowed to have an abortion.

So what we can see here is that:

--obviously most pro-life people do not view the unborn as equal, same as a born person... If the unborn was a born person, you could not terminate its life in cases of rape or incest or even the mother's life to some extent. (THere are a few pro-life people that do believe you cannot terminate the unborn in these circumstances and at least they are consistent.)

-- most pro-life people care more about judging and punishing a woman than they care for that 'innocent life'. (yeah, it's a punishment because the unborn is frequently referred to as a 'consequence')

So IMO the dividing line re: abortion for pro-life supporters has nothing to do with the unborn, it's all about the woman and how they judge her culpability in the pregnancy.​
 
Scrabaholic said:
Executing him stopped him from killing again. Are you proposing women who abort be executed?
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Just locked up until menopause. :roll:

Gonna get very expensive. Esp. since most women that get abortions already have at least one kid.

So...more $$$$$ for foster care too. Not doing those kids any favors!
 
trouble13 said:
Women wont have the authority to kill mens children without their consent.

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Where has that been written into any of the new proposed legislation from the red states? Source(s) please.
 
trouble13 said:
Nowhere close to as many mens children are killed by their mothers each day

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Nowhere near close to as many men that would end up paying child support.
 
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