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What Would Be Accomplished By Making Abortion Illegal?

Crusader13 said:
LOL NYT. Fake news doesn't count here, but you're correct; plenty of data has been manipulated to make it seem that making abortion illegal increases the number of abortions. In reality this isn't true. Take Croatia as an example; abortion is largely restricted until 10 weeks, girls under 16 need parental supervision, doctors have a right to refuse based on moral grounds, and more. As the data would have it:



Abortion in Croatia - Wikipedia

Take Hungary as another example; very tight restrictions on abortions, including waiitng periods, medical board approval, social stigmatization and so on. Their abortion rate is far lower per 1000 than in the US.

Abortion in Hungary - Wikipedia


Interestingly, abortion in Serbia is high despite similar restrictions, which is likely because corruption and bureaucracy allow the laws to be bypassed and not widely enforced.

Abortion in Serbia - Wikipedia

This is just base level research using 3 countries. I'm sure you could find many more correlations between the enforcement of abortion restrictions and low abortion rates.



If you legalize abortions, all innocent babies will die.



Planned Parenthood - Wikipedia
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Other than out of ignorance dismissing reality, what point did you try to make?
 
Crusader13 said:
LOL NYT. Fake news doesn't count here,
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Abortion rates go down when countries make it legal: report

Making abortion illegal does not reduce number of women having terminations, study concludes | The Independent

Key facts on abortion | Amnesty International

Worldwide, an estimated 25 million unsafe abortions occur each year


BTW, have you ever watched your best friend almost die from illegal abortion? I have. It's what made me pro choice.


If you legalize abortions, all innocent babies will die.
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This is a blatant lie. More pregnancies are carried to term than aborted (ignoring the hyperbole of "innocent babies").



Planned Parenthood - Wikipedia
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I didn't say giving money to PP for non abortion services. Once again, "Do you have a source showing that millions of federal dollars are being used for abortion?"
 
Crusader13 said:
LOL NYT. Fake news doesn't count here, ...

Take Hungary as another example; very tight restrictions on abortions, including waiitng periods, medical board approval, social stigmatization and so on. Their abortion rate is far lower per 1000 than in the US.

Abortion in Hungary - Wikipedia
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Hungry had a higher rate ( 19.7) of abortions in 2015 than the United States ( estimated at 17.1)

Abortion rates by country (list by country)

BTW: the list is only legal abortions.

They take the countries stats of legal abortion so countries where abortions are banned except for life woman have low numbers recorded but that does mean women in those countries do not have illegal abortion or travel out of the country for their abortion.
 
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Crusader13 said:
Yes. Many countries in the world outlaw abortion or simply don't have or provide easy access to it, and many of these countries tend to have pretty low abortion rates. ...
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From a 2016 World Health Organization article:

Abortion rates drop in more developed regions but fail to improve in developing regions*

12 May 2016 -- New estimates, published today in the Lancet, indicate that the induced abortion rate has declined significantly in more developed countries between 1990 and 2014, but not in developing countries.



The study shows marked differences between the regions that are classified by the UNPD as developed (Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, Japan) and those that are classified as developing regions.

While, in the more developed regions the abortion rate has declined by 41% since 1990-94 to a current rate of 27 abortions per 1000 women, the abortion rate in developing regions has remained virtually unchanged for the past 25 years at a rate of 37 abortions per 1000 women. Nearly 88% of all abortions take place in developing regions.
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WHO | Abortion rates drop in more developed regions but fail to improve in developing regions*
 
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What would be accomplished by making abortion illegal?

They would win the battle, but lose the war.

As it is many women do not have easy access to abortion. But illegal drugs are being pushed in even small towns. The drug pushers will just find a way to access the abortion cocktail and start pushing those. So women with poor access to abortion now will probably have easier access as the capitalist pushers get in on the revenue stream. Abortion will be less safe but (I believe)more prevalent.

What the pro-life crowd consistently fails to understand is that women who chose abortion frequently feel desperate. When the pro-life crowd flippantly says "if you do not want the baby, just adopt it out" ....the pregnant woman is not just thinking how she will support a child....she is worried about how she will support herself if she is pregnant. I personally was off nearly six months due to pregnancy. Many women who choose abortion are a couple shifts away from losing their place to live. So her fear starts well before a child is born.
 
prometeus said:
Other than out of ignorance dismissing reality, what point did you try to make?
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1. A correlation can be observed between making something illegal and said thing being done less.

2. The fact that abortion rates have been shown to decrease when abortion is legalized is not conclusive. The first rule of statistical studies is that correlation does not equal causality.

3. All the federal funding currently being given to Planned Parenthood - the world's biggest abortion provider, could be better spent on helping said poor women who are in financial woes due to their pregnancies.
 
BTW, have you ever watched your best friend almost die from illegal abortion? I have. It's what made me pro choice.
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No, but I have watched a friend actually die from illegal heroin use. Somehow I didn't let that convince me that heroin should be legalized. Sure, he'd still be alive if the quality and dosage of heroin was controlled, but do I really have to explain why that would be a stupid move?

Besides, way more females are killed from abortion being legal than they are from abortion being illegal, so nice try in pretending to care about women. You only care about the women who can vote for you, the one's who can't vote for you don't deserve your sympathy I guess...just throw them in the trash.
 
Crusader13 said:
No, but I have watched a friend actually die from illegal heroin use. Somehow I didn't let that convince me that heroin should be legalized. Sure, he'd still be alive if the quality and dosage of heroin was controlled, but do I really have to explain why that would be a stupid move?

Besides, way more females are killed from abortion being legal than they are from abortion being illegal, so nice try in pretending to care about women. You only care about the women who can vote for you, the one's who can't vote for you don't deserve your sympathy I guess...just throw them in the trash.
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Abortions have been taking place since before the early Greek days.

Making abortions illegal only makes them more unsafe for woman.

If you really care about the unborn you would support family planning and birth control.


Woman do not electively abort wanted pregnancies.
 
Crusader13 said:
1. A correlation can be observed between making something illegal and said thing being done less.
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In some cases but not in this one. There is no data that supports your assertion.

The fact that abortion rates have been shown to decrease when abortion is legalized is not conclusive.
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So the real data you deny.

The first rule of statistical studies is that correlation does not equal causality.
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Your hypocrisy is amazing.

All the federal funding currently being given to Planned Parenthood - the world's biggest abortion provider, could be better spent on helping said poor women who are in financial woes due to their pregnancies.
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You are spouting ignorant drivel.
 
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