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What Would Be Accomplished By Making Abortion Illegal?

MrWonka said:
Well first of all... They wouldn't have the authority to kill men's children even with their consent.

But thank you for exposing the true goal of these bull**** laws. It's not about protecting life, it's about allowing men to force women to do give birth to their children even when women don't want them. It's to insure that disgusting and evil men who can't get laid can still reproduce via rape.
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Very insightful.
 
Northern Light said:
1.) It's Christians who are behind it
2.) so what other kind of theocracy could they be going for?

3.) They hate science, they hate sexual and reproductive freedom, they hate sex education, they hate social systems to support the poor, they hate women's liberation, basically they hate anything that doesn't foster their cloistered religious communities. Not to mention the anti-abortion laws are overwhelmingly written and passed by men.

4.) We shouldn't even be debating about the circumstances under which it's ok to have an abortion. I won't be drawn into that equivocation. A woman can have an abortion on demand. 30% of American women will need an abortion in their lifetime and the details can only be figured out between her and her doctor.

5.) I wrote an entire thread on this in the abortion forum. Not surprisingly, it has 100 views but not one reply. No one wants to accept that the current abortion debate is part of the Southern Strategy the Republicans created after their crushing defeat in the 60's around Jim Crow laws.
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1.) Yes SOME are Christians but there also many Christians that have no interest in this and are against it too
2.) exactly what i said a general one
3.) who is they? yes there are people that feel how you described but that is factually NOT all Christians. Nobody in my church fits your description.
4.) i agree especially since that has nothing to do with my post or what we (me and you) are discussing
5.) again relevant how to what i posted or our discussion?
 
trouble13 said:
I believe the law should be consistent and making abortions illegal is consistent with how it treats other parental rights.
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Bull crap and your beliefs are irrelevant. Fact remains that during pregnancy, there is only one person that has rights, the pregnant woman. No law can change that.

Under any other circumstance a person is charged with homicide if they kill the human growing inside the mothers womb.
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It is not a ****ing human being but a fetus that is why, the law pertaining to this are called fetal homicide laws and they are not everywhere nor are they consistent.

The only exception was if the woman elected to have that baby killed.
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Its a ****ing fetus.

Thats inconsistent to all the other laws.
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Only to the ignorant and uneducated.

Once conception occurs men are offered no legal choices
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What possible choices could they be offered and on what basis?

outlawwing abortions is a step toward treating both genders consistent as well.
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Moronic bull crap.

As i said at the top of my post. Its telling to me that wimen feel they are being punished when faced with the prospect of being forced to conform to the same rigidity in the law that men are forced to cope with.
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Yes and it is just as utterly stupid when you repeat it.

It leads me to believe that the motivation of many prochoice people is:
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Who gives a crap what you believe out of ignorance?
 
manofknowledge said:
Is every miscarriage or stillbirth potentially a murder?
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To some, it depends on circumstances.

Don't mistake me for a pro lifer, I'm not. Pro choice, through and through.
 
minnie616 said:
In the United States over 60 percent of the women who abort are already raising at least one child.

If the women who abort are sent jail , there will be hundreds of thousands of motherless children.

The taxpayers will not only have to pay the jail expenses for the women but they will also have to pay foster care for the women who were single moms.

In 2006 ( latest stats I saw ) the cost of foster care for each child was $40,000 a year.
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My comment had nothing to do with abortion. Try to keep things in context. I have no issue with pro-choice.

I have no issue with those who are opposed to abortion.

I understand the feelings of both sides.

I am male. I don't think my opinion counts for anything.
 
wolfsgirl said:
That is not true. Countries with abortion bans have more abortions than countries that do not ban them.
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Already addressed in a previous post.

Correlation =/= causation
 
MrWonka said:
Bwhahahahahahahha!!! You mean like how Alcohol Prohibition stopped people from drinking, and the War on Drugs stopped people from doing drugs?
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It stopped law abiding people.
 
Dragonfly said:
What would be the publicly realized benefit, or accomplishment of making abortion illegal across the entire United States?

Does anyone honestly think it would prevent abortions from happening?

What's the true goal with all this? What's the end-game?

What actually changes if abortion were to be declared illegal starting right this very moment?
More importantly, how exactly does YOUR life change?

Even more specific, if you're a male, what do you gain from a sweeping change to the law?
You're a guy. Abortion is now completely illegal.
What's the benefit for you?
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The benefit is that our society wouldn’t be relying on mass extermination of life in lieu of access to pregnancy prevention such as reversible sterilization or LARCs.
 
AGENT J said:
thats not THE prolife perspective only SOME believe abortion = murder and they are factually wrong
many prolifers do not have that false presepective
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If they don't believe abortion is murder, then I can't figure why they'd be against it...
 
KevinKohler said:
If they don't believe abortion is murder, then I can't figure why they'd be against it...
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Well youd have to ask them cause i don't know all their reasons but they do not all have the false believe its murder. There's ones that post here that understand that fact. They simply value the ZEF more so in many or most cases for various reasons.
 
KevinKohler said:
From the pro life perspective, the accomplishment would be to end a barbaric practice of murdering human beings.
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Because making the premeditated killing of another human being illegal certainly ended the barbaric practice of murdering human beings...
 
trouble13 said:
Women wont have the authority to kill mens children without their consent.

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Sure they will... they will simply not tell the man and go to an back ally doctor...
 
Lursa said:
How is that an answer to the bold?
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Come on lursa,
You dont see how eliminating the legal authority for a womsn to abort also eliminates her ability to abort the fathers kid?

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Lursa said:
What is telling about my view that forcing women to remain pregnant and have a kid against their will is punishment?

I consider it immoral. How is that not clear?
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I uderstand that you feel that way but i find it telling that you dont consider a man not having similiar parental choices as punishment too.

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Lursa said:
What does any of this have to do with what you responded to? Which was this:



Please try to connect your responses in a coherent manner. Dont write stuff that isnt even relevant to what you are responding to. The punishment stuff has nothing to do with all your assumptions about how women feel...and you look ridiculously hateful about women in what you did assume. (But they were 2 separate things when I responded)
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The response was to making the distoryed claim that my motivation is rooted in punishing women. My position is rooted in consistency which i think i articulayed clearly

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MrWonka said:
Well first of all... They wouldn't have the authority to kill men's children even with their consent.

But thank you for exposing the true goal of these bull**** laws. It's not about protecting life, it's about allowing men to force women to do give birth to their children even when women don't want them. It's to insure that disgusting and evil men who can't get laid can still reproduce via rape.
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I dont know what the intent is but i do know that it is 1 result of it. What your doing is trying to shame people who you disagree with by assigning a motive that you believe will embarass them.

The problem for you is that the motive uour trying to put on people isnt my motivation.

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trouble13 said:
I uderstand that you feel that way but i find it telling that you dont consider a man not having similiar parental choices as punishment too.

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Refer back to your Human Development text book for reasons why the choices are different.

In fact, the woman's costs are always higher. A man's is no more than financial, maybe emotional.

Now for women, tack on physical impairment and pain over 9 months, with the possibility of death or permanent health damage.

Let me know when you even that out.
 
trouble13 said:
The response was to making the distoryed claim that my motivation is rooted in punishing women. My position is rooted in consistency which i think i articulayed clearly

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It's hard to interpret your post but I'd agree that you've consistently been in favor of punishing women with regards to parenting, pregnancy, and abortion.
 
prometeus said:
Bull crap and your beliefs are irrelevant. Fact remains that during pregnancy, there is only one person that has rights, the pregnant woman. No law can change that.

It is not a ****ing human being but a fetus that is why, the law pertaining to this are called fetal homicide laws and they are not everywhere nor are they consistent.

Its a ****ing fetus.

Only to the ignorant and uneducated.

What possible choices could they be offered and on what basis?

Moronic bull crap.

Yes and it is just as utterly stupid when you repeat it.

Who gives a crap what you believe out of ignorance?
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Ive seen to push your full retard button. You should never go full retard.

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trouble13 said:
Women wont have the authority to kill mens children without their consent.
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Lursa said:
How is that an answer to the bold?
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trouble13 said:
Come on lursa,
You dont see how eliminating the legal authority for a womsn to abort also eliminates her ability to abort the fathers kid?
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LMAO...the men still have no ability to consent to anything. If abortion's illegal, men consent to nothing...they just get a kid to support. No choice in consenting to that either.
 
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