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[W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

smallvoice said:
No. NO ONE except the parent has ANY responsibility for the baby.


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Then you should be perfectly onboard with abortion. Who else should be responsible for the unborn?

According to you, no one else should be responsible for the financial raising of the child...so it would just die if the parents couldnt do so, right?

Why would abortion be any different?

Didnt actually "connect the dots" in your responses, eh? Gotta use some logic in there!
 
Your response does not track with logic, but then I know what your position is.

Where do you get off saying that society, or some stranger off the street should be responsible for the financial raising of the child? It's the birth parents. I CLEARLY connect the dots and they run directly to you. You are responsible, and until you accept that responsibility, you have no position.
 
Lursa said:
Then you should be perfectly onboard with abortion. Who else should be responsible for the unborn?

According to you, no one else should be responsible for the financial raising of the child...so it would just die if the parents couldnt do so, right?

Why would abortion be any different?

Didnt actually "connect the dots" in your responses, eh? Gotta use some logic in there!
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smallvoice said:
Your response does not track with logic, but then I know what your position is.

Where do you get off saying that society, or some stranger off the street should be responsible for the financial raising of the child? It's the birth parents. I CLEARLY connect the dots and they run directly to you. You are responsible, and until you accept that responsibility, you have no position.
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Of course it does. If you dont believe that society should be absolved of responsibility for providing financial assistance to children when parents cannot, then where do you think the food and shelter will come from? They will die. Or they will abandon them and they will die (no foster care/adoption $$$ from taxpayers).

If this is incorrect, tell me how?
 
smallvoice said:
Your response does not track with logic, but then I know what your position is.

Where do you get off saying that society, or some stranger off the street should be responsible for the financial raising of the child? It's the birth parents. I CLEARLY connect the dots and they run directly to you. You are responsible, and until you accept that responsibility, you have no position.
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Who's response does not track with logic? You again did not respond to a post but you are making posts for which no-one knows what you are responding to.

And I say that if pro-lifers want to start banning abortion and forcing pregnant women to have children against their wishes, then the state has to pay for that ban on abortion but either paying for the children's home he will end up in or payments to the mother.

And she would have taken her responsibility when she would have chosen an abortion, but when you banned that, you need to pay for that decision and the costs this woman now has to pay for.
 
Lursa said:
Of course it does. If you dont believe that society should be absolved of responsibility for providing financial assistance to children when parents cannot, then where do you think the food and shelter will come from? They will die. Or they will abandon them and they will die (no foster care/adoption $$$ from taxpayers).

If this is incorrect, tell me how?
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Ooh come on, we all know that pro-lifers are really just pro-fetus and don't really care what happens to a child later on. Well at least not as much as pro-choicers do. Progressives are much more pro-child than pro-lifers generally are. Are there a lot of exceptions to that generalization, sure, but it does not take away from the fact that conservatives are the most restrictive when it comes to helping to make sure children have homes, available parents, food and access to health care.
 
Peter King said:
Ooh come on, we all know that pro-lifers are really just pro-fetus and don't really care what happens to a child later on. Well at least not as much as pro-choicers do. Progressives are much more pro-child than pro-lifers generally are. Are there a lot of exceptions to that generalization, sure, but it does not take away from the fact that conservatives are the most restrictive when it comes to helping to make sure children have homes, available parents, food and access to health care.
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Yup, it's the ultimate hypocrisy...demand they have a baby they cant care for and then deny them the assistance they need to raise it.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

@ thread OP. Regarding the thread title. The title appears to be loaded. Before this particular question is asked, the OP author should at least share with us what he/she thinks the difference between 'pro-choice' vs. ' pro-abortion ' is. The two terms are most certainly not one and the same.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

The question that needs to be answered is: Is the life of the baby or the woman more important? I was shocked when my mother said that the babies is more important. When I asked why, she said that the baby has its whole life to live the woman has already lived.
 
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Scorps2000 said:
The question that needs to be answered is: Is the life of the baby or the woman more important? I was shocked when my mother said that the babies is more important. When I asked why, she said that the baby has its whole life to live the woman has already lived.
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And your mother was perfectly free to apply that to her own life and gestate every pregnancy regardless of risk. I, however, disagree with her and since pregnancy is a high risk to *my* life, I will choose otherwise should I fall pregnant.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

weaver2 said:
That's actually easy to figure out and it has already been done. That the monetary value of human lives has not been publicized doesn't mean the figures aren't used every day in determining the benefit of a civil activity to society and whether it is cost effective. Every civil project is investigated for its cost effectiveness. An adult man or woman has the greatest monetary value, a child much less value and fetus only potential value.

The monetary value of a human life is derived by calculating the investments made by public and private institutions in health, education, safety of person, security of possessions, training, opportunity and value to society. The older a person is the more value they have, up to a definable age.

A woman has way more value to society than a fetus.
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You have the prize. I can't imagine a more base opinion. I, too, am a capitalist, but wouldn't dare put a dollar value on the unknown life potential. How do you do that, money aside?
Regards,
CP
 
Lursa said:
Yup, it's the ultimate hypocrisy...demand they have a baby they cant care for and then deny them the assistance they need to raise it.
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Curious couple. You and Peter. It seems you have no boundaries when it seemingly boosts your hard hearted opinion. Well, good for the pair of you. I believe I can find others not so phallically named with whom to agree.
Who, when, and where has any baby been put out to adoption, that didn't find a loving family? The ball is in your court.
Regards,
CP
 
Lursa said:
Yup, it's the ultimate hypocrisy...demand they have a baby they cant care for and then deny them the assistance they need to raise it.
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I believe I have already tagged you as a prevaricator. Is this some reply to boost my opinion of you?
It certainly seem so. You added nothing, but nonetheless agreed with an illogical, hyperbolic reply. Do you not know how shallow you appear? You, respectfully, are a one trick pony.
Regards,
CP
 
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Scrabaholic said:
And your mother was perfectly free to apply that to her own life and gestate every pregnancy regardless of risk. I, however, disagree with her and since pregnancy is a high risk to *my* life, I will choose otherwise should I fall pregnant.
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S. That is called selfishness.
Regards,
CP
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Scorps2000 said:
The question that needs to be answered is: Is the life of the baby or the woman more important? I was shocked when my mother said that the babies is more important. When I asked why, she said that the baby has its whole life to live the woman has already lived.
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Sc, your mother is, perhaps was(sorry if so), correct.
Regards.
CP
 
Lursa said:
Then you should be perfectly onboard with abortion. Who else should be responsible for the unborn?

According to you, no one else should be responsible for the financial raising of the child...so it would just die if the parents couldnt do so, right?

Why would abortion be any different?

Didnt actually "connect the dots" in your responses, eh? Gotta use some logic in there!
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smallvoice said:
Your response does not track with logic, but then I know what your position is.

Where do you get off saying that society, or some stranger off the street should be responsible for the financial raising of the child? It's the birth parents. I CLEARLY connect the dots and they run directly to you. You are responsible, and until you accept that responsibility, you have no position.
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Still waiting for a 'logical' response to this:

Of course it does. If you believe that society should be absolved of responsibility for providing financial assistance to children when parents cannot, then where do you think the food and shelter will come from? They will die. Or they will abandon them and they will die (no foster care/adoption $$$ from taxpayers).

If this is incorrect, tell me how?
 
concernedpuma said:
I don't think differently. I have been involved in the first person way. Of course, I am not the one who wrote of the parent. Was that you?
Regard,
CP
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So you think the parent is not responsible for the baby's well being? That's BOTH parents, unless the mother is so selfish to think that only she has rights....
 
Lursa said:
Still waiting for a 'logical' response to this:

Of course it does. If you believe that society should be absolved of responsibility for providing financial assistance to children when parents cannot, then where do you think the food and shelter will come from? They will die. Or they will abandon them and they will die (no foster care/adoption $$$ from taxpayers).

If this is incorrect, tell me how?
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Have you been sterilized yet? When you get that done, come back and we can talk.
 
Lursa said:
Then you should be perfectly onboard with abortion. Who else should be responsible for the unborn?

According to you, no one else should be responsible for the financial raising of the child...so it would just die if the parents couldnt do so, right?

Why would abortion be any different?

Didnt actually "connect the dots" in your responses, eh? Gotta use some logic in there!
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smallvoice said:
Your response does not track with logic, but then I know what your position is.

Where do you get off saying that society, or some stranger off the street should be responsible for the financial raising of the child? It's the birth parents. I CLEARLY connect the dots and they run directly to you. You are responsible, and until you accept that responsibility, you have no position.
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Still waiting for a 'logical' response to this:

Of course it does. If you believe that society should be absolved of responsibility for providing financial assistance to children when parents cannot, then where do you think the food and shelter will come from? They will die. Or they will abandon them and they will die (no foster care/adoption $$$ from taxpayers).

If this is incorrect, tell me how?

smallvoice said:
Have you been sterilized yet? When you get that done, come back and we can talk.
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I am past menopause, so I dont need to get sterilized. So here I am :mrgreen:

Now, is there some reason you cannot apply your proposed 'logic' to my post? Your argument has failed?
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

concernedpuma said:
You have the prize. I can't imagine a more base opinion. I, too, am a capitalist, but wouldn't dare put a dollar value on the unknown life potential. How do you do that, money aside?
Regards,
CP
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That's not opinion that's a fact. Every bit of the Interstate system, every government constructed dam, every safety feature of every structure has been priced out to compare the cost with the value of the lives effected. And those are just the projects that I know about and if you were in charge of building any of them you would be comparing the value of human lives against the cost of the project. Almost everybody knows that.
 
smallvoice said:
So you think the parent is not responsible for the baby's well being? That's BOTH parents, unless the mother is so selfish to think that only she has rights....
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I still struggle with THE parent. There is where the question of Biology comes in. I believe BOTH parents have responsibility for their union. I place and would if given the chance, demand the support of the Father, even if both partners didn't know realize what they were then creating. Of course, any idiot knows what they are doing.
This whole thing of damning the Mother and making her solely responsible is hogwash! Make young men know they will be half at least half responsible for the financial requirements would increase the sales of condoms by a ton! Pass the law and invest in Trojan!!!
Regards,
CP
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

weaver2 said:
That's not opinion that's a fact. Every bit of the Interstate system, every government constructed dam, every safety feature of every structure has been priced out to compare the cost with the value of the lives effected. And those are just the projects that I know about and if you were in charge of building any of them you would be comparing the value of human lives against the cost of the project. Almost everybody knows that.
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Sorry. Weaver. I have been in charge or in an advisory position for many projects, but cost of Human fatality is not considered on the side of the buyer. It may be included in the presentation of the bidder, but not the bottom line consideration of the buyer. It may or not ne so that the bidder includes that cost, but it isn't any portion of the buy. That is presumably, and in many cases why insurance is included in the assessment of a bid.
Regards,
CP
 
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