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[W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

weaver2 said:
OK call a fetus a human being and abortion murder if makes you feel righteous and superior to speak scornfully of whores who get abortions.

Here's a suggestion. You pass a law banning abortions. And we'll pass a law jailing you for whining about paying for all the poor children you produced by banning abortion.

It's a win-win solution. You get to force women into producing children. And everybody else gets relief from your incessant whining about lazy, cheating poor families that won't work, sit around drinking beer and sucking down your hard earned money.
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It doesn’t make me “feel righteous and superior” even though it’s clear you think I am. Go ahead and pass your sillyassed law and we’ll see how far that gets. When you find where I “whined about lazy, cheating poor families”, post it. You have not one iota of backup for your blathering. NONE.

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smallvoice said:
Are you really as ignorant as you post? The ONLY one MAKING a woman have a baby is the woman herself.


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The post is sarcastic not ignorant. It is the ignorant of the world that insist abortion is murdering little pre-born children. Having too many children is a sure way to create poverty in financial insecure families. Banning abortion is nothing more than a mandate of poverty. And it's the ignorant that want to ban abortion.
 
The post is ignorant, and using a population excuse is the weakest of all you could use. How about traipsing your murderous hide down to Planned Parenthood and get sterilized. Problem solved.


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smallvoice said:
The post is ignorant, and using a population excuse is the weakest of all you could use. How about traipsing your murderous hide down to Planned Parenthood and get sterilized. Problem solved.
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The post is not at all ignorant. Statistics show 80% of the women that use Planned Parenthood services including abortion live at or below the 150% poverty line even though most of those women are working and many are the bread earner. Those are the women you call murderers and those are also the women conservatives, most of whom are anti-abortionists, say are lazy, no good lay-a-bout trash draining hard earned money from the people that worked for. And you want these women to have more children? Why?
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

smallvoice said:
NONE of those "mishaps" is grounds for murder .
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A recent exchange found at:Not mine - pro-birther gets shut down : MurderedByWords

You're a murderer
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BRONWYN ISAAC: Excuse me?

You have the blood of millions of unborn children on your hands
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BRONWYN ISAAC: Ok, so Im going to gloss over the fact you called me a murderer for th sake of asking you a question: What happens next?

I don't understand the question
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BRONWYN ISAAC: "What happens next? Once you have succeeded in your quest to stop the termination of a pregnancy - disregarding the circumstances for why the woman or couple wants to terminate (failed birth control, rape, lack of financial stability, unsuitable environment, domestic violence, mental health issues, lack of employment, medical issues, lack of comprehensive sexual education) - what happens next?"

"Who pays for the prenatal or postnatal care? Surely not a couple working a minimum wage who can barely afford their rent. Who provides healthcare and funds medical bills for a single woman with no place to live? Or a married couple who struggle to afford the children they already have? Who assists the millions of children in foster care, still waiting to be adopted? Who helps them when they hit the street at 18 with no money or life skills?"
"Will you and your ilk - the self-proclaimed 'pro-life' community help to fund comprehensive sexual education for teens? How about access to affordable birth control? Why not promote a vasectomy as a viable option for men who don't want children? How about funding scientific research so men can have more birth control options than just condoms? Is your community going to help pay for healthcare and education costs? Once you have succeeded in stopping the termination of a pregnancy, what role will you have in ensuring a quality of life for the foetus you so desperately wanted to save?"

It's the parents' responsibility
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BRONWYN ISAAC: "Here's a wakeup call - you don't get to come into my inbox ....... with your over-inflated Messiah complex with your Facebook profile filled with delusions of superiority declaring yourself to be on the side of "life." when in reality your compassion stops just inside the vaginal canal."
"Don't embarrass yourself and pretend that you give a flying flock about what happens once a foetus is born, or about the people who aren't equipped to raise them. Don't pretend you give a ship about children when you aren't prepared to do a damn thing about the millions of struggling families on welfare, or the millions of children in foster care."
"Don't pretend you give a ship about life, when you would rather just sit by and smugly proclaim women should 'close their legs' because it's less energy to do so than it is to lobby for resources that would make it easier for people to become parents. Go away.”

Thank you Browyn Isaac. If your post can't penetrate the ignorance of the anti-abortion mind it is probably so bigoted nothing can get in.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Gaius46 said:
How’s this for logical? You’re barking up the wrong tree. The baby’s humanity is isn’t what matters. What matters is the woman’s right to self determination. Her right to decide what to do with her body.
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Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
 
Who pays? The parents of course. Or did your think it was OK to just walk away?


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Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Integrityrespec said:
Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
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And I can abort if I get pregnant and don't want to be.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Integrityrespec said:
Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
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People have sex for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to with procreation. Deciding to have sex does not imply agreement to take the fetus to term and acknowledgement of a risk does not imply that one can not mitigate that risk or deal with it if it is realized. By that logic I accept the risk of an accident when I get in my car and by that acceptance I cannot go to the hospital if I get into an accident.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Integrityrespec said:
Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
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So you wanna be in charge of seeing that nobody has sex unless they have taken proper precautions? No, I thought not. So how about a super creative job of keeping randy teens from having sex? No? Too dangerous? Well, how about a precautionary checking job? Test every condom immediately just before its use? Not that job either? There is one more job. As you can see, women are irresponsible about sex and what we need is a man, with time on his hands to sit at his computer all day telling these women about their punishment. You like that? Perfect fit isn't it?
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Integrityrespec said:
Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
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And one of her legal and even moral choices is terminating that pregnancy if she sees her situation unfit to have another child or even to be pregnant at that time.

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Re: A great question for pro abortion types

minnie616 said:
I guess you failed to understand that before Roe women were so desperate not to continue their pregnancy they risked their health and their very lives seeking an illegal unsanitary abortion.

I quoted the part in the story about the nurse whose intestine had gotten hooked on the abortion implement and had been pulled out through her cervix. The doctors had tried to repair it as well as they could.
The doctors saved her life but she would never be able to have another pregnancy later in life if she wanted to.

A nurse would know the dangers of seeking an illegal abortion more than the average women yet she was that desperate she went ahead with the illegal abortion because it was before Roe and safe legal elective abortions were not available in the United States before Roe.

After Roe passed women are able to get safe ( for the woman ) sterile legal elective abortions.

They can choose to put off giving birth until after marriage or until their health is better or they can provide a safe place for a little one etc.

If Roe was dismantled and abortion were illegal again women would still have abortions, but the abortions would no longer be safe for woman.
Doctors would again be tasked with repairing the damage from illegal abortions.
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A lot of failure, the passive aggressive thing gets old fast. She seems to forget that many people...it seems she's included...are trying to get RvW overturned :doh
 
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Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Logical1 said:
Which is greater, the life of the baby or a womans "rights"??????
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There is no baby and all women's rights are more important, course.

When there is a baby, it will have the same rights.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Integrityrespec said:
Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
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And she has full knowledge that she has a safer, legal option if her birth control fails.

If she cant afford or isnt prepared for a kid, why should she risk her life, her future, make sacrifices that may endanger her responsibilities to her current familiy? To being unable to fulfill her commitments and obligations to her employer, church, community, society, etc? Please explain?

Why should she take this risk, if she doesnt want to, when there's a much safer option?

14 times safer

Abortion safer than giving birth: study - Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Getting a legal abortion is much safer than giving birth, suggests a new U.S. study published Monday.

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.
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smallvoice said:
Actually I do. The problem is you hide your murderous ways by calling it abortion.


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Not murder, you may not care about truthful descriptions, I do. And murder and abortion have nothing to do with one another. One is a crime, abortion is a right.
 
smallvoice said:
Are you really as ignorant as you post? The ONLY one MAKING a woman have a baby is the woman herself.


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You do know the principle of responding to someone by quoting someone? Not very difficult to do and it will at least give the person whom you illogically responded too the chance to reply to your really ignorant responses.

And no, if you ban abortion, YOU are forcing a woman to have a baby against her will.
 
smallvoice said:
The post is ignorant, and using a population excuse is the weakest of all you could use. How about traipsing your murderous hide down to Planned Parenthood and get sterilized. Problem solved.


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As with abortion, other people's reproductive choices are none of your damned business so to speak.
 
smallvoice said:
Who pays? The parents of course. Or did your think it was OK to just walk away?


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If you force women to have children against her wish you can pay for that decision of yours together with all the other pro-lifers/conservatives.
 
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Integrityrespec said:
Yes, and when she decided to enter into a sexual relationship she knew she could become pregnant. Her full knowledge of what she was doing and what he result could be puts her in the position of already having made a decision to possibly become pregnant and she should do so with full acceptance of the responsibilities that go with it. You don't want to have a child, don't have sex or make very sure you have taken proper precautions with your body.
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No, she made the decision to have sex. And thank goodness women who have had the bad luck to get pregnant, have the freedom to have an abortion. Because what choices women make is none of our business.
 
Peter King said:
If you force women to have children against her wish you can pay for that decision of yours together with all the other pro-lifers/conservatives.
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I didn’t “force” her to do anything.What she is doing is (pisspoorly) forcing society to pay for her poor choices. In case you missed it, it was HER choice from the beginning, and the outcome is HER responsibility.


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Peter King said:
If you force women to have children against her wish you can pay for that decision of yours together with all the other pro-lifers/conservatives.
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No. NO ONE except the parent has ANY responsibility for the baby.


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Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Logical1 said:
Which is greater, the life of the baby or a womans "rights"??????
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That's actually easy to figure out and it has already been done. That the monetary value of human lives has not been publicized doesn't mean the figures aren't used every day in determining the benefit of a civil activity to society and whether it is cost effective. Every civil project is investigated for its cost effectiveness. An adult man or woman has the greatest monetary value, a child much less value and fetus only potential value.

The monetary value of a human life is derived by calculating the investments made by public and private institutions in health, education, safety of person, security of possessions, training, opportunity and value to society. The older a person is the more value they have, up to a definable age.

A woman has way more value to society than a fetus.
 
smallvoice said:
No. NO ONE except the parent has ANY responsibility for the baby.


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If you want to ban abortion, well than the responsibility for the birth is no longer the choice or responsibility of the mother.
 
smallvoice said:
I didn’t “force” her to do anything.What she is doing is (pisspoorly) forcing society to pay for her poor choices. In case you missed it, it was HER choice from the beginning, and the outcome is HER responsibility.


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Nope, if you want to ban abortion, it no longer is a woman's choice and if you want to force a woman to keep an unwanted child, the state/government/the prolife mob has to assume financial responsibility for that child.

And no, she is no longer allowed to make her own choices than again, it is down to the pro-life lot and the government who banned abortion to pay for that.
 
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