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[W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

I didn't mean to answer your question with another. IF I did that, well I can't imagine why I did. Sorry if I did, unless of course, you left me with an incomplete answer to my query of you. I won't presume that so... what is your direct question?
Regards,
CP

Never mind, I double posted. My response is in 874.
 
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Never mind, I double posted. My response is in 874.

This is getting a lot weird. I replied to 874, Now that is gone. You aren't using HRC's Ukranian server, are you? If so, you will likely not see this !
Regards,
CP
 
The question is-----------if the baby aborted is not human, why are organs being harvested from them. That doesn't seem to compute.

Any logical comments?

If you had a logical argument you would need to create a strawman to attack those who oppose you. Nobody is pro-abortion We are pro-choice because we believe that every woman has the right to decide for herself instead of having it forced upon us by religion or old men. The fact that many women who are also pro-choice would not have an abortion for herself seems to be lost on people like you.

An organ is not harvested from a 20-week old fetus.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

This is getting a lot weird. I replied to 874, Now that is gone. You aren't using HRC's Ukranian server, are you? If so, you will likely not see this !
Regards,
CP

No problem. I bolded my questions:

I dont know...it may be severely defective, hard to say. Since it does not yet have one, I dont see how it can be quantified.

Can you tell me that the "potential" quality of life for the unborn is more important than the present quality of life of a woman already living her life and contributing to society? What is your opinion?
We do know something about the woman...she's a contributing member of society (unless she's comatose and hospitalized). And it's not hard to imagine that they have responsibilities and obligations to family, employer, church, community, society, etc. that they experience joy and pain and passion and fear and all the normal things that people do. And thus that an unplanned child jeopardizes all those things, including her health.

What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
 
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I accept as fact your first.. The rest of your post is imaginary for convenience.

Today's anti-abortion definitions: convenience= frivolous reason for getting an abortion examples of anti-abortion frivolous reasons for getting an abortion:

the family is poor already has 2 kids, the mother and father both work. Dad works 2 jobs. The abortion the wife got was just for convenience sake.
the woman is in a relationship that is abusive and dangerous. The abortion she got was for her convenience.
the family already have 3 children, one is severely mentally retarded and takes up most of the mother's time. The abortion she got was just for convenience
the woman finds out the fetus has life threatening deformities. That abortion was to get rid of this inconvenience
the couple is working its way out of poverty by attending college a child will end up putting them back into poverty and dependence on the state. The convenience abortion this woman had was to get rid of a fetus that would interrupt her schooling.
And the the 15 year old got an abortions just for her selfish reasons.

Yup 100% of abortions are done for frivolous reasons.
 
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Thank you...
Can you tell me that the "potential" quality of life for the unborn is more important than the present quality of life of a woman already living her life and contributing to society? What is your opinion?
I don't know how to define potential. That is the beauty of it, right?
What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
I'm not trying to skate on this, but when you write "the one seeking abortion" proposes a Universal person. So did my reply of WE.
Regards,
CP
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Thank you...
Can you tell me that the "potential" quality of life for the unborn is more important than the present quality of life of a woman already living her life and contributing to society? What is your opinion?
I don't know how to define potential. That is the beauty of it, right?
What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
I'm not trying to skate on this, but when you write "the one seeking abortion" proposes a Universal person. So did my reply of WE.
Regards,
CP


You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?

And I listed "what we know," so why are you asking that again? If you disagree, explain why.

Also, the matter of 'the one seeking abortion' has zero importance when, as in our society, the choice is up to each individual. The universal factor is that choice. That is what we know and that is all that matters.
 
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Today's anti-abortion definitions: convenience= frivolous reason for getting an abortion examples of anti-abortion frivolous reasons for getting an abortion:

the family is poor already has 2 kids, the mother and father both work. Dad works 2 jobs. The abortion the wife got was just for convenience sake.
the woman is in a relationship that is abusive and dangerous. The abortion she got was for her convenience.
the family already have 3 children, one is severely mentally retarded and takes up most of the mother's time. The abortion she got was just for convenience
the woman finds out the fetus has life threatening deformities. That abortion was to get rid of this inconvenience
the couple is working its way out of poverty by attending college a child will end up putting them back into poverty and dependence on the state. The convenience abortion this woman had was to get rid of a fetus that would interrupt her schooling.
And the the 15 year old got an abortions just for her selfish reasons.

Yup 100% of abortions are done for frivolous reasons.

So...if we can allow an abortion to the fantasy situation family you describe, then all other abortions' would be unnecessary and illegal? Or, are there millions of the case you describe?
I will try to avoid invented emotional appeals to you, if you will stop trying to do that to me.
How about answering this: How many women seek more than one abortion? And one more compounded, what in the world is wrong with those women and how can you embrace that style of living when you and I generally pay for it???
Regards,
CP
 
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You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?

No. I know the definition of potential, but can't pass it around like Halloween candy. Yes, potential is unknown. Therein lies our difference in part. It seems you are willing to forego potential of new life and instead place it in the entity seeking an abortion for convenience. To end up in an abortion clinic with the, oh so many, birth control options available has shown not the potential, but the fact of the woman.
Regards,
CP
 
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Back to you...certainly not enough? Are you working some percentage you haven't presented? It seems you are the victim of base and simplistic reasoning by pro-abortion presenters.
It is unfortunate that those of us that oppose abortion as a mere fact of life are presented as anti-woman. I certainly am not anti-women. I am however proud to argue the rights of the unborn.
Regards,
CP

Yeah...your post had pretty much no relevance.. but if you were to ask me what percentage of abortions were done for "convenience"... In my experience as a medical provider... I'd say less than 1 percent.

If women were using abortion as a means of birth control.. then the average sexually active women would be having about 4 abortions or more a year. And that ain;t happening.

Yeah.... No offense but I have a much greater understanding of the issues with abortion and prochoice than ANY anti abortion person. Because the only way to be anti abortion.. is basically to be ignorant. Its pretty much a condition of being anti abortion. Unless you think that its absolutely okay to order a 14 year old girl to die.. because you will force her to keep a baby that will kill her.

It is unfortunate that those of us that oppose abortion as a mere fact of life are presented as anti-woman.

Because you are. Because by opposing abortion.. you must then place the life of "the unborn"... over the life of the woman. How can you not be "anti woman"..if you value the collection of cells in my 14 year old patients body more than her life?

Please explain your position if you disagree.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

So...if we can allow an abortion to the fantasy situation family you describe, then all other abortions' would be unnecessary and illegal? Or, are there millions of the case you describe?
CP
How would you determine which abortions would be legal and which would not be?

How many women seek more than one abortion?
Roughly 45 %.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Yeah...your post had pretty much no relevance.. but if you were to ask me what percentage of abortions were done for "convenience"... In my experience as a medical provider... I'd say less than 1 percent.

If women were using abortion as a means of birth control.. then the average sexually active women would be having about 4 abortions or more a year. And that ain;t happening.

Yeah.... No offense but I have a much greater understanding of the issues with abortion and prochoice than ANY anti abortion person. Because the only way to be anti abortion.. is basically to be ignorant. Its pretty much a condition of being anti abortion. Unless you think that its absolutely okay to order a 14 year old girl to die.. because you will force her to keep a baby that will kill her.



Because you are. Because by opposing abortion.. you must then place the life of "the unborn"... over the life of the woman. How can you not be "anti woman"..if you value the collection of cells in my 14 year old patients body more than her life?

Please explain your position if you disagree.

I am not offended. I can't imagine why I might be insulted by one who claims great knowledge(LPN, RN, MD?) and then would expect me to take that writing as proof of anything. Where in the world do you get the statistics you proffer? I never once recalled figures of sexually active women, nor can I understand your extrapolation that all women use abortion for birth control. I have stated that some women use it that way, but never, ever, said all women.
I very much appreciate your civil tone, but have to deny the conclusions you attribute to me.
Regards,
CP
 
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So...if we can allow an abortion to the fantasy situation family you describe, then all other abortions' would be unnecessary and illegal? Or, are there millions of the case you describe? ...
Regards,
CP

How would you determine which abortions would be legal and which would not be?

Roughly 45 %.

To be fair I would like to add ...
that a woman may be fertile for about 30 years.

There are about three decades during which women can become mothers. From about 13 Or 14 years old, ( one of my daughter was 10 when she started having periods and the painful cramping that came with them) when most girls have started to ovulate . Until aabout the mid 40s.

Some women even become pregnant when they thought they were past menopause.
 
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How would you determine which abortions would be legal and which would not be?

Roughly 45 %.

Very easy J. Abortions for rape, and incest are examples of those I support. And even those cases ought be considered manslaughter if delayed until removing brain matter is required to complete the abortion. If there be mitigating circumstance in those instancees, let a Jury decide. Others, I choose to protect the unborn.
Regards,
CP
 
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No. I know the definition of potential, but can't pass it around like Halloween candy. Yes, potential is unknown. Therein lies our difference in part. It seems you are willing to forego potential of new life and instead place it in the entity seeking an abortion for convenience. To end up in an abortion clinic with the, oh so many, birth control options available has shown not the potential, but the fact of the woman.
Regards,
CP

And you still refused to answer my questions. Why is that? Please do, as you have agreed to do so.

Here you go, for reference:

You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?

And I listed "what we know," so why are you asking that again? If you disagree, explain why.

Also, the matter of 'the one seeking abortion' has zero importance when, as in our society, the choice is up to each individual. The universal factor is that choice. That is what we know and that is all that matters.​

And here's "what we do know" for your reference and perhaps you will answer that question now as well since I am presenting the list again?

We do know something about the woman...she's a contributing member of society (unless she's comatose and hospitalized). And it's not hard to imagine that they have responsibilities and obligations to family, employer, church, community, society, etc. that they experience joy and pain and passion and fear and all the normal things that people do. And thus that an unplanned child jeopardizes all those things, including her health.

What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
 
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And you still refused to answer my questions. Why is that? Please do, as you have agreed to do so.

Here you go, for reference:

You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?

And I listed "what we know," so why are you asking that again? If you disagree, explain why.

Also, the matter of 'the one seeking abortion' has zero importance when, as in our society, the choice is up to each individual. The universal factor is that choice. That is what we know and that is all that matters.​

And here's "what we do know" for your reference and perhaps you will answer that question now as well since I am presenting the list again?

We do know something about the woman...she's a contributing member of society (unless she's comatose and hospitalized). And it's not hard to imagine that they have responsibilities and obligations to family, employer, church, community, society, etc. that they experience joy and pain and passion and fear and all the normal things that people do. And thus that an unplanned child jeopardizes all those things, including her health.

What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?

Your last post directed to me shows just how little you want to understand. I'm afraid you are looking for key words(tech writers do that, you know), but ignore the essence of my replies to you. You continuously preen as though I am skirting, or avoiding your points. I have addressed and answered all that you then ask me. Try reading from start to end as an anxious reader.
Regards,
CP
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Your last post directed to me shows just how little you want to understand. I'm afraid you are looking for key words(tech writers do that, you know), but ignore the essence of my replies to you. You continuously preen as though I am skirting, or avoiding your points. I have addressed and answered all that you then ask me. Try reading from start to end as an anxious reader.
Regards,
CP

So once again, just finding excuses because you cannot answer without destroying your own position.

Dont bother lying about it...it's obvious...you wont answer because you have been dishonest and now cant...and cant admit you are wrong either.

The display of moral cowardice you have put on destroys any credibility your claims of caring for the unborn might have held. I believe anyone embodying that kind of moral cowardice would always put their own needs ahead of their unborn or even born children.
 
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So once again, just finding excuses because you cannot answer without destroying your own position.

Dont bother lying about it...it's obvious...you wont answer because you have been dishonest and now cant...and cant admit you are wrong either.

The display of moral cowardice you have put on destroys any credibility your claims of caring for the unborn might have held. I believe anyone embodying that kind of moral cowardice would always put their own needs ahead of their unborn or even born children.

So once again, just finding excuses because you cannot answer without destroying your own position.
My excuse being your jaundiced reading of folk's that disagree with you? You know my position, but somehow decide it wasn't defended because I pointed out your redundancy? Lying? why? To an internet connection? Where then is my profit
The display of moral cowardice you have put on destroys any credibility your claims of caring for the unborn might have held. I believe anyone embodying that kind of moral cowardice would always put their own needs ahead of their unborn or even born children.[/QUOTE
Moral cowardice? How dare you write of morality when you embrace for reasons known only to you and God, the cessation of life
I have hesitated, and still feel uncomfortable writing: You are a liar when you communicate with me. Worse, the unborn die because of lies from you, and the callous group to which you pander.
Regards,
CP
 
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So once again, just finding excuses because you cannot answer without destroying your own position.
My excuse being your jaundiced reading of folk's that disagree with you? You know my position, but somehow decide it wasn't defended because I pointed out your redundancy? Lying? why? To an internet connection? Where then is my profit
The display of moral cowardice you have put on destroys any credibility your claims of caring for the unborn might have held. I believe anyone embodying that kind of moral cowardice would always put their own needs ahead of their unborn or even born children.[/QUOTE
Moral cowardice? How dare you write of morality when you embrace for reasons known only to you and God, the cessation of life
I have hesitated, and still feel uncomfortable writing: You are a liar when you communicate with me. Worse, the unborn die because of lies from you, and the callous group to which you pander.
Regards,
CP

I've never lied once posting to you...I'd tell you to prove it by posting the lie...but just like answering questions...you wont, because you cant.

So once again, just finding excuses because you cannot answer without destroying your own position.

Dont bother lying about it...it's obvious...you wont answer because you have been dishonest and now cant...and cant admit you are wrong either.

The display of moral cowardice you have put on destroys any credibility your claims of caring for the unborn might have held. I believe anyone embodying that kind of moral cowardice would always put their own needs ahead of their unborn or even born children
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I've never lied once posting to you...I'd tell you to prove it by posting the lie...but just like answering questions...you wont, because you cant.

Maybe liar was too stiff. Prevaricator might be more apt. Though the difference is thin. You ought know when your disappointment with your alleged failure of me one of not answering your questions is really a matter of not leaving you a platform from which you seek an AHAHA moment. You know right now, as before, how I feel and you also know that I have answered your questions, though many were prolix, in an honest, respectful, heartfelt way.
Still and going forward...
Regards,
CP
 
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Maybe liar was too stiff. Prevaricator might be more apt. Though the difference is thin. You ought know when your disappointment with your alleged failure of me one of not answering your questions is really a matter of not leaving you a platform from which you seek an AHAHA moment. You know right now, as before, how I feel and you also know that I have answered your questions, though many were prolix, in an honest, respectful, heartfelt way.
Still and going forward...
Regards,
CP

Too late, your pattern is clear, and this quote below is set in stone in my mind. I know exactly how you feel...like a person who lies like they breathe. And I also know you are lying about how you've answered my questions...except in a deceptive and non-committal way. For you...zero respect. I do respect people that disagree with me, but not people who lie and pretend.

So once again, just finding excuses because you cannot answer without destroying your own position.

Dont bother lying about it...it's obvious...you wont answer because you have been dishonest and now cant...and cant admit you are wrong either.

The display of moral cowardice you have put on destroys any credibility your claims of caring for the unborn might have held. I believe anyone embodying that kind of moral cowardice would always put their own needs ahead of their unborn or even born children
.
 
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Too late, your pattern is clear, and this quote below is set in stone in my mind. I know exactly how you feel...like a person who lies like they breathe. And I also know you are lying about how you've answered my questions...except in a deceptive and non-committal way. For you...zero respect. I do respect people that disagree with me, but not people who lie and pretend.

Too late? Too late for what? The decision of your personal court of right and wrong? I have read much, perhaps too much, of what you write. At the end of the day, each of us rests our head on a pillow to sleep. I sleep comfortably with the knowledge that I have opposed those like you. How you sleep, and what gives you comfort is unknown to me. I know I would have nightmares (deservedly so)if I took the low road of selfishness of life.
Goodnight to you, my erstwhile friend.
Regards,
CP
 
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Too late? Too late for what? The decision of your personal court of right and wrong? I have read much, perhaps too much, of what you write. At the end of the day, each of us rests our head on a pillow to sleep. I sleep comfortably with the knowledge that I have opposed those like you. How you sleep, and what gives you comfort is unknown to me. I know I would have nightmares (deservedly so)if I took the low road of selfishness of life.
Goodnight to you, my erstwhile friend.
Regards,
CP

Please dont bother with the passive-aggressive crap. You own the low road, I wont forget that, nor bother with your dishonesty anymore.
 
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I am not offended. I can't imagine why I might be insulted by one who claims great knowledge(LPN, RN, MD?) and then would expect me to take that writing as proof of anything. Where in the world do you get the statistics you proffer? I never once recalled figures of sexually active women, nor can I understand your extrapolation that all women use abortion for birth control. I have stated that some women use it that way, but never, ever, said all women.
I very much appreciate your civil tone, but have to deny the conclusions you attribute to me.
Regards,
CP


Well.. again you avoided the whole post. Sure.. don't believe what a medical provider on the internet says.. that's fine. How about YOU provide some evidence of your assertions?

You've asserted that SOME women use it that way. Well.. if they are using it that way.. you would expect 4 abortions a year from them..

But you go ahead.. prove your assertion with some valid research that shows exactly how many women are using abortion as a form of birth control.

And then.. we can move on to

Because by opposing abortion.. you must then place the life of "the unborn"... over the life of the woman. How can you not be "anti woman"..if you value the collection of cells in my 14 year old patients body more than her life?

I see that you avoided this chance to explain your anti abortion position. So please go ahead and explain how you being against abortion.. is not anti woman.. when it means that women will suffer because of it...
 
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Please dont bother with the passive-aggressive crap. You own the low road, I wont forget that, nor bother with your dishonesty anymore.

I appreciate your faux disinterest and will try to be more magnanimous, when I am silenced by a better. Passive/aggressive? It would seem some can't get over a good term paper grade. No matter. See you in a better argument somewhere down the line
Regards,
CP
 
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