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[W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

... Please cite the Amendment providing that specific, sole right.
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Regards,
CP

The 1st, 9th, and 14th.



From the following Live Science article:

Constitutional rights


The right to privacy often means the right to personal autonomy, or the right to choose whether or not to engage in certain acts or have certain experiences.
Several amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been used in varying degrees of success in determining a right to personal autonomy:

The First Amendment protects the privacy of beliefs
The Third Amendment protects the privacy of the home against the use of it for housing soldiers
The Fourth Amendment protects privacy against unreasonable searches
The Fifth Amendment protects against self-incrimination, which in turn protects the privacy of personal information
The Ninth Amendment says that the "enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." This has been interpreted as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.


The right to privacy is most often cited in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, which states:



No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

However, the protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.


For example, the Supreme Court first recognized that the various Bill of Rights guarantees creates a "zone of privacy" in Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 ruling that upheld marital privacy and struck down bans on contraception.


Read more:

Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws | Live Science
 
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The 1st, 9th, and 14th.



From the following Live Science article:



Read more:

Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws | Live Science

I read what you offered. Never once, did I see abortion, rights of the mother to have an abortion, nor did I see a Constitutional right to abortion. The term I see in your site was "Broadly interpreted" That of course is contemporaneous. It is so very odd to me that the constitution has been used to shield things not so noted there. You certainly know that a different SC ight very well decide that States have the right to regulate that. See the 10th.
Minnie, you know where I stand. Personally, and that's all I have to offer, there are some abortions that are required, necessary, and go deeper than caprice.

Regards,
CP
 
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I read what you offered. Never once, did I see abortion, rights of the mother to have an abortion, nor did I see a Constitutional right to abortion. The term I see in your site was "Broadly interpreted" That of course is contemporaneous. It is so very odd to me that the constitution has been used to shield things not so noted there. You certainly know that a different SC ight very well decide that States have the right to regulate that. See the 10th.
Minnie, you know where I stand. Personally, and that's all I have to offer, there are some abortions that are required, necessary, and go deeper than caprice.

Regards,
CP

Did you read the right regarding autonomy?

Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long.

Men and women in the United States have the right to bodily autonomy.

The Justices ruled that we had to our right to privacy regarding medical procedures including abortion before viability.

That makes it much harder to overturn than if they had ruled that abortion was a woman’s right.

Pretty genius of them to rule it as right to privacy.

Actually, before deciding Roe the SC also referred to other privacy amendments they decided on which led up to Roe. Those precedents included certain zones of privacy such as marriage, child rearing and procreation.


I would also like to point out that several right to privacy precedents were set before Roe v Wade.
The more precedents, the harder it is to overturn a SC ruling.

It will be extremely hard to overturn Roe without also striking down the precedents of right to privacy cases before Roe including right to privacy regarding child rearing rights ,


The following Surpreme Court decisions would most likely would become dismantled if Roe v Wade were overturned and that is not going to happen.


Weems v. United States (1910)

In a case from the Philippines, the Supreme Court finds that the definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" is not limited to what the authors of the Constitution understood under that concept.

Meyer v. Nebraska (1923)

A case ruling that parents may decide for themselves if and when their children may learn a foreign language, based upon a fundamental liberty interest individuals have in the family unit.

Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925)
A case deciding that parents may not be forced to send their children to public rather than private schools, based on the idea that, once again, parents have a fundamental liberty in deciding what happens to their children.

Olmstead v. United States (1928)

The court decides that wire tapping is legal, no matter what the reason or motivation, because it is not expressly prohibited in the Constitution. Justice Brandeis' dissent, however, lays the groundwork for future understandings of privacy.

Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942)

An Oklahoma law providing for the sterilization of people found to be "habitual criminals" is struck down, based on idea that all people have a fundamental right to make their own choices about marriage and procreation.

Tileston v. Ullman (1943) & Poe v. Ullman (1961)

The Court refuses to hear a case on Connecticut laws prohibiting the sale of contraceptives because no one can demonstrate they have been harmed. Harlan's dissent in Poe, however, explains why the case should be reviewed and why fundamental privacy interests are at stake.

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)

Connecticut's laws against distribution of contraceptives and contraceptive information to married couples are struck down, with the Court relying on earlier precedent involving the rights of people to make decisions about their families and procreation as a legitimate sphere of privacy.

Loving v. Virginia (1967)

Virginia law against interracial marriages is struck down, with the Court once again declaring that marriage is a "fundamental civil right" and that decisions in this arena are not those with which the State can interefere unless they have good cause.

Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972)
The right of people to have and know about contraceptives is expanded to unmarried couples, because the right of people to make such decisions exists due not simply to the nature of the marriage relationship. Instead, it is also due to the fact that it is individuals making these decisions, and as such the government has no business making it for them, regardless of their marital status.

Roe v. Wade (1973)

The landmark decision which established that women have a basic right to have an abortion, this was based in many ways upon the earlier decisions above. Through the above cases, the Supreme Court developed the idea that the Constitution protects a person's to privacy, particularly when it comes to matters involving children and procreation.
 
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Did you read the right regarding autonomy?

Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long.

Men and women in the United States have the right to bodily autonomy.

Did you know that Roe was decided on several right to privacy precedents some dating back to the 1800s and early 1900s ?

Can't say I did. Your site wanted to sell me a subscription after the 9th. Didn't want a subscription, so I didn't view the 14th that you mentioned. Was it there?
I would argue that bodily autonomy in that arena has to do with you and the government. I would be happy to view any text that states a woman and her unborn.
It is a bit scary when expanding the Constitution. If the idea is projected it might well include anyone, born or not, that a woman chose to eliminate. I don't think you'll find that. At least, I hope not!

Regards,
CP
 
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Can't say I did. Your site wanted to sell me a subscription after the 9th. Didn't want a subscription, so I didn't view the 14th that you mentioned. Was it there?
I would argue that bodily autonomy in that arena has to do with you and the government. I would be happy to view any text that states a woman and her unborn.
It is a bit scary when expanding the Constitution. If the idea is projected it might well include anyone, born or not, that a woman chose to eliminate. I don't think you'll find that. At least, I hope not!

Regards,
CP

Sorry, Minnie. I failed to address Roe v Wade, I didn't mean to do that. I just realized after reading your post a second time that I glossed over an important point...
That being written, you and I both know a different interpretation may very well flow from a different SC. That it was interpreted(rather cavalierly IMO) doesn't mean it is in the Bill of Rights, and sort of fair game to current Justices.
It is my belief that the 10th amendment will supersede any previous rulings. I am not anti-abortion, you know that. I just object to slovenly, reckless behavior that then requires it. Women are not immune from precaution, and further, men are in no way excused for their part in the conception, or delivery. If you want to truly stop abortion, make the bas######'s who think it is about walking away from the result of their big time financially responsible for the result, or jail them! I am a man and father. Jail the men who are beneath responsibility! Anything less is to make a woman responsible for a joint drift into sex!
Regards,
CP
 
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Sorry, Minnie. I failed to address Roe v Wade, I didn't mean to do that. I just realized after reading your post a second time that I glossed over an important point...
That being written, you and I both know a different interpretation may very well flow from a different SC. That it was interpreted(rather cavalierly IMO) doesn't mean it is in the Bill of Rights, and sort of fair game to current Justices.
It is my belief that the 10th amendment will supersede any previous rulings. I am not anti-abortion, you know that. I just object to slovenly, reckless behavior that then requires it. Women are not immune from precaution, and further, men are in no way excused for their part in the conception, or delivery. If you want to truly stop abortion, make the bas######'s who think it is about walking away from the result of their big time financially responsible for the result, or jail them! I am a man and father. Jail the men who are beneath responsibility! Anything less is to make a woman responsible for a joint drift into sex!
Regards,
CP

I copied and pasted the link I was I quoted where it pointed out right to privacy protections in the 14th amendment.

The Ninth Amendment says that the "enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." This has been interpreted as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.


The right to privacy is most often cited in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, which states:


No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

However, the protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.

Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws | Live Science

Why do you feel that states have a right to disregard and not protect the right to privacy regarding family, marriage, mothering, procreation and child rearing?

Should a state be able to decide all children should only go to public schools ?

Or that all children in that state must attend a Mormon school ? Or a Jewish school ? Or a Christian Scientology’s school ?

As far abortion goes ...Abortions are not going to stopped but the numbers can be lowered and they are being lowered in the United States.

Comprehensive sexual Education and access to Birth Control medication and devices have helped lower the numbers significantly in the last 10 years.

Women do not abort wanted pregnancies unless something went terribly medically wrong with the pregnancy.
 
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I read what you offered. Never once, did I see abortion, rights of the mother to have an abortion, nor did I see a Constitutional right to abortion. The term I see in your site was "Broadly interpreted" That of course is contemporaneous. It is so very odd to me that the constitution has been used to shield things not so noted there. You certainly know that a different SC ight very well decide that States have the right to regulate that. See the 10th.
Minnie, you know where I stand. Personally, and that's all I have to offer, there are some abortions that are required, necessary, and go deeper than caprice.

Regards,
CP

Your inability to understand has nothing to do with the fact that those amendments protect a woman's right to have an abortion. It may be that you arent capable of understanding it...or that if you admitted you did...then your arguments regarding abortion's Constitutionality would fail.

Which is it?

Er, for your reference (from a web site written for children):

The Ninth Amendment, or Amendment IX of the United States Constitution is the section of the Bill of Rights that states that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated.

Kids
 
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The 1st, 9th, and 14th.



From the following Live Science article:



Read more:

Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws | Live Science

Oh and I forgot the 13th as well:

When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to 'involuntary servitude' in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment….even if the woman has stipulated to have consented to the risk of pregnancy, that does not permit the state to force her to remain pregnant
 
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The 1st, 9th, and 14th.



From the following Live Science article:



Read more:

Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws | Live Science

There's the 4th Amendment too, but I think this is further supported in the 14th. The 4th is also known as the amendment protecting 'security of the person.'

The Fourth Amendment is written into the Constitution as follows: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." The 4th Amendment, at its most basic application, can be deemed as a protection of private property and privacy. These inherent civil and human rights are not to be violated or infringed upon unless it is necessary under law with just cause.

4th Amendment - constitution | Laws.com

The govt has no right to even learn of a woman's gestational status and today, women dont have to see a Dr to confirm a pregnancy. They have no probable cause to investigate miscarriages, loss of weight, medical records, etc etc etc.
 
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To your first point, God rest any who died in childbirth. I mean that.

I believe you, so what? The point remains that childbirth is and always has been potentially fatal. Furthermore, many women and girls are desperate enough, for various reasons, to risk death to become un-pregnant. The women I knew both wanted their pregnancies but they, and thousands like them, should not have to take the risk of death if they don't want to.

To the larger exploration of that: to correlate the death of a mother with child birth as a preventable disease is to use singular tragedy to make a point in discussion.

If it had only happened once, you might have a point. It happens every day, though. World wide, it's a huge problem.

The way I see it, this boils down to a religious issue and, without that entitled group of oppressors, the lives of women everywhere would be more valuable than their uterine contents. It's an especially glaring contradiction in the USA where your God should have no bearing on anyone else's life or health. Abortion is an act of conscience and women deserve that freedom.

Certainly, you are not proud of that.
Regards,
CP

Wrong. I'm extremely proud of my stance in defense of women and human rights in general. I'm a proud opponent of religious oppression and stand firmly against the entitled spokespersons for the imagined divine. I do not support their right to decide for others based upon a fantasy.

If religious people want to risk death, that's their right and I will defend it. However, many women do not suffer from that delusion and their bodies and the fate of whatever they create is theirs to decide.
 
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I believe you, so what? The point remains that childbirth is and always has been potentially fatal. Furthermore, many women and girls are desperate enough, for various reasons, to risk death to become un-pregnant. The women I knew both wanted their pregnancies but they, and thousands like them, should not have to take the risk of death if they don't want to.



If it had only happened once, you might have a point. It happens every day, though. World wide, it's a huge problem.

The way I see it, this boils down to a religious issue and, without that entitled group of oppressors, the lives of women everywhere would be more valuable than their uterine contents. It's an especially glaring contradiction in the USA where your God should have no bearing on anyone else's life or health. Abortion is an act of conscience and women deserve that freedom.



Wrong. I'm extremely proud of my stance in defense of women and human rights in general. I'm a proud opponent of religious oppression and stand firmly against the entitled spokespersons for the imagined divine. I do not support their right to decide for others based upon a fantasy.

If religious people want to risk death, that's their right and I will defend it. However, many women do not suffer from that delusion and their bodies and the fate of whatever they create is theirs to decide.

Pretty sure that poster was overwhelmed and has abandoned the conversation.
 
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Your inability to understand has nothing to do with the fact that those amendments protect a woman's right to have an abortion. It may be that you arent capable of understanding it...or that if you admitted you did...then your arguments regarding abortion's Constitutionality would fail.

Which is it?

Er, for your reference (from a web site written for children):

Must you always try to dunk heads in a conversation?
Rather than demanding my time to address your verbose assaults; why not ask one question at a time? I'm not going anywhere and have the time. Quite honestly, you challenge my patience with your repetitive and redundant questioning. Make one point and get off the stage, please.
Further, though you clearly have no concern with your presentation; I so strenuously object to you posting grammar school programming as a valid point, or sinking to the depth of suggesting that silly portion is somehow my meat.
Regards,
CP
 
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Must you always try to dunk heads in a conversation?
Rather than demanding my time to address your verbose assaults; why not ask one question at a time? I'm not going anywhere and have the time. Quite honestly, you challenge my patience with your repetitive and redundant questioning. Make one point and get off the stage, please.
Further, though you clearly have no concern with your presentation; I so strenuously object to you posting grammar school programming as a valid point, or sinking to the depth of suggesting that silly portion is somehow my meat.
Regards,
CP

All these conditions you want to put on my posts, lol. I gave clear, civil responses and the amendments asked for...and here you are, bobbing and weaving to avoid admitting you cannot refute the truth.

It wasnt necessary for you to return and post your "demands" and "complaints." It was obvious you have no further argument to make based on what I posted...which was exactly what you requested. :doh

My expectations for you are basement-level. When I post responses to you, they are in the hope that they will be constructive for others.
 
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All these conditions you want to put on my posts, lol. I gave clear, civil responses and the amendments asked for...and here you are, bobbing and weaving to avoid admitting you cannot refute the truth.

It wasnt necessary for you to return and post your "demands" and "complaints." It was obvious you have no further argument to make based on what I posted...which was exactly what you requested. :doh

My expectations for you are basement-level. When I post responses to you, they are in the hope that they will be constructive for others.

There is no gain for either of us to take pot-shots and duck away as though we have bested the other. Because we disagree doesn't give me or you the right to sink to spurious remarks about the other. What would it gain me to call you a programmed shill or closed minded zealot?
I welcome conversation, but just bristle at cheap name calling for which you so often attempt to use as validation, of what is often a mystery.

If you so find me as beneath you in some way, please pay no mind to what I write. I will happily do the same for you, if that is the way it truly is to be. Your choice, beginning now.

Regards,
CP
 
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There is no gain for either of us to take pot-shots and duck away as though we have bested the other. Because we disagree doesn't give me or you the right to sink to spurious remarks about the other. What would it gain me to call you a programmed shill or closed minded zealot?
I welcome conversation, but just bristle at cheap name calling for which you so often attempt to use as validation, of what is often a mystery.

If you so find me as beneath you in some way, please pay no mind to what I write. I will happily do the same for you, if that is the way it truly is to be. Your choice, beginning now.

Regards,
CP

she twists and manipulates the facts. She likes spin. You needn't worry about her. Its just a waste of time, shes junior varsity, as Obama would say. better to catch her in an attempt to manipulate, twist or otherwise distort the truth. She's even turned Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness to Death Oppression and the Pursuit of Sadness. Remember, she is slippery, and she definitely doesn't have the truth on her side. She's good at sowing up the loose ends, so at first glance everything looks right. Until you touch here or pick there and her little house of cards comes a tumbling down.
 
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she twists and manipulates the facts. She likes spin. You needn't worry about her. Its just a waste of time, shes junior varsity, as Obama would say. better to catch her in an attempt to manipulate, twist or otherwise distort the truth. She's even turned Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness to Death Oppression and the Pursuit of Sadness. Remember, she is slippery, and she definitely doesn't have the truth on her side. She's good at sowing up the loose ends, so at first glance everything looks right. Until you touch here or pick there and her little house of cards comes a tumbling down.

Thank you, IM. I sometimes wonder when reading posts similar to L., where, or more likely why, they became so calloused to the miracle of life, and their complete pedestrian view. How can one so fail to see that all we can leave, other than perhaps a site marker, is those lives after us?
Regards,
CP
 
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Thank you, IM. I sometimes wonder when reading posts similar to L., where, or more likely why, they became so calloused to the miracle of life, and their complete pedestrian view. How can one so fail to see that all we can leave, other than perhaps a site marker, is those lives after us?
Regards,
CP

You wouldn't believe what she said in the other thread:

For every Steve Jobs, there was a Hitler that was destroyed by abortion...the net gain is zero.
 
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...
Rather than demanding my time to address your verbose assaults; why not ask one question at a time? I'm not going anywhere and have the time. Quite honestly, you challenge my patience with your repetitive and redundant questioning. Make one point and get off the stage, please.
...
Regards,
CP

I am sorry if I overwhelmed you with my questions in post #581 of this thread but I am still curious as why you think states have the authority to take precedence over a persons right to privacy.

I had two questions really but the second question was really more of an example that if states have authority to to interfere with a family’s right to to privacy they can dictate where our children have to go school and what religion they have to learn and practice.

There would be no schools of choice or home schooling if the state if that statenchose not to allow it.

So with that in mind I will ask again....Why do you feel that states have a right to disregard and not to protect the right to privacy regarding family, marriage, mothering, procreation and child rearing?
 
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Stop talking about each other now.
 
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There is no gain for either of us to take pot-shots and duck away as though we have bested the other. Because we disagree doesn't give me or you the right to sink to spurious remarks about the other. What would it gain me to call you a programmed shill or closed minded zealot?
I welcome conversation, but just bristle at cheap name calling for which you so often attempt to use as validation, of what is often a mystery.

If you so find me as beneath you in some way, please pay no mind to what I write. I will happily do the same for you, if that is the way it truly is to be. Your choice, beginning now.

Regards,
CP

You have posted similarly false, passive-aggressive responses in the past.

I can only say that I LOVE the miracle of life and have studied biology, zoology, epidemiology, microbiology, and many other disciplines at a master's level in university. It informs my position and arguments a great deal.

It has nothing to do with 'sanctity' of human life and the desire to not see women marginalized in our society which would be the result if elective abortion was further restricted. I support the biological miracles of life across our entire planet...not just human...and the Constitution. And let's not forget...when I posted the Constitutional amendments that support and protect women's rights (which you requested)...you went back to your usual passive-digressive journey into avoidance.

Yep, this post is exactly 'my choice,' didnt really need your permission.
 
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I am sorry if I overwhelmed you with my questions in post #581 of this thread but I am still curious as why you think states have the authority to take precedence over a persons right to privacy.

I had two questions really but the second question was really more of an example that if states have authority to to interfere with a family’s right to to privacy they can dictate where our children have to go school and what religion they have to learn and practice.

There would be no schools of choice or home schooling if the state if that statenchose not to allow it.

So with that in mind I will ask again....Why do you feel that states have a right to disregard and not to protect the right to privacy regarding family, marriage, mothering, procreation and child rearing?

I didn't intend to call you out in any post. You have been most informative and a general pleasure with which to have dialogue. The really good thing about you is that you seem to genuinely speak for yourself and aren't about pleasing hanger's on.

My biggest objection is he attempt to persuade by redundancy and wordiness others offer as debate. I don't count you as one of those.
With regard to why I believe abortion is as a states right hinges on the 10th. I don't know of a single time when abortion was truly defined as a Federal right that would override it. Do you? If so, how so?

Regards,
CP
 
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You have posted similarly false, passive-aggressive responses in the past.

I can only say that I LOVE the miracle of life and have studied biology, zoology, epidemiology, microbiology, and many other disciplines at a master's level in university. It informs my position and arguments a great deal.

It has nothing to do with 'sanctity' of human life and the desire to not see women marginalized in our society which would be the result if elective abortion was further restricted. I support the biological miracles of life across our entire planet...not just human...and the Constitution. And let's not forget...when I posted the Constitutional amendments that support and protect women's rights (which you requested)...you went back to your usual passive-digressive journey into avoidance.

Yep, this post is exactly 'my choice,' didnt really need your permission.

Yes, it is amazing the courses offered on line these days. Master work included!
I believe you when you say you have course study in the mechanics of life. I could have predicted that.
I just wonder why you haven't you haven't spent more time in philosophical, bigger than currently accepted science classes.

Big question's for you:
Have any of your Scientific discipline or perhaps just zoological studies ever mentioned an afterlife? How about souls? No? Then your education is selectively stunted, my friend.
Regards,
CP
 
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I didn't intend to call you out in any post. You have been most informative and a general pleasure with which to have dialogue. The really good thing about you is that you seem to genuinely speak for yourself and aren't about pleasing hanger's on.

My biggest objection is he attempt to persuade by redundancy and wordiness others offer as debate. I don't count you as one of those.
With regard to why I believe abortion is as a states right hinges on the 10th. I don't know of a single time when abortion was truly defined as a Federal right that would override it. Do you? If so, how so?

Regards,
CP

It is in the 14 th Amendment which states :

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Right to Privacy protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.

Also before deciding Roe the Justices examined several right to privacy precedents that were decided before Roe.


The more precedents, the harder it is to overturn a SC ruling.

It will be extremely hard to overturn Roe without also striking down the precedents of right to privacy cases before Roe including right to privacy regarding child rearing rights , such as the right for parents to send their children to private or religious schools instead of public schools.

These most likely would become dismantled if Roe v Wade were overturned.

Weems v. United States (1910)
In a case from the Philippines, the Supreme Court finds that the definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" is not limited to what the authors of the Constitution understood under that concept.

Meyer v. Nebraska (1923)
A case ruling that parents may decide for themselves if and when their children may learn a foreign language, based upon a fundamental liberty interest individuals have in the family unit.

Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925)

A case deciding that parents may not be forced to send their children to public rather than private schools, based on the idea that, once again, parents have a fundamental liberty in deciding what happens to their children.

Olmstead v. United States (1928)

The court decides that wire tapping is legal, no matter what the reason or motivation, because it is not expressly prohibited in the Constitution. Justice Brandeis' dissent, however, lays the groundwork for future understandings of privacy.

Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942)
An Oklahoma law providing for the sterilization of people found to be "habitual criminals" is struck down, based on idea that all people have a fundamental right to make their own choices about marriage and procreation.

Tileston v. Ullman (1943) & Poe v. Ullman (1961)

The Court refuses to hear a case on Connecticut laws prohibiting the sale of contraceptives because no one can demonstrate they have been harmed. Harlan's dissent in Poe, however, explains why the case should be reviewed and why fundamental privacy interests are at stake.

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)
Connecticut's laws against distribution of contraceptives and contraceptive information to married couples are struck down, with the Court relying on earlier precedent involving the rights of people to make decisions about their families and procreation as a legitimate sphere of privacy.

Loving v. Virginia (1967)
Virginia law against interracial marriages is struck down, with the Court once again declaring that marriage is a "fundamental civil right" and that decisions in this arena are not those with which the State can interefere unless they have good cause.

Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972)

The right of people to have and know about contraceptives is expanded to unmarried couples, because the right of people to make such decisions exists due not simply to the nature of the marriage relationship. Instead, it is also due to the fact that it is individuals making these decisions, and as such the government has no business making it for them, regardless of their marital status.

Roe v. Wade (1973)
The landmark decision which established that women have a basic right to have an abortion, this was based in many ways upon the earlier decisions above. Through the above cases, the Supreme Court developed the idea that the Constitution protects a person's to privacy, particularly when it comes to matters involving children and procreation.
 
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Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Yes, it is amazing the courses offered on line these days. Master work included!
I believe you when you say you have course study in the mechanics of life. I could have predicted that.
I just wonder why you haven't you haven't spent more time in philosophical, bigger than currently accepted science classes.

Big question's for you:
Have any of your Scientific discipline or perhaps just zoological studies ever mentioned an afterlife? How about souls? No? Then your education is selectively stunted, my friend.
Regards,
CP

I'm a practicing Christian, grew up in the church, Sunday School teacher parents. And philosophy, sociology, anthropology, psychology....quite a well-rounded university education. Can you get a Bachelors of Science on line? A Masters? Perhaps you have looked into it?

So your perceptions have failed you.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

It is in the 14 th Amendment which states :



Right to Privacy protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.

Also before deciding Roe the Justices examined several right to privacy precedents that were decided before Roe.


The more precedents, the harder it is to overturn a SC ruling.

It will be extremely hard to overturn Roe without also striking down the precedents of right to privacy cases before Roe including right to privacy regarding child rearing rights , such as the right for parents to send their children to private or religious schools instead of public schools.

These most likely would become dismantled if Roe v Wade were overturned.

Weems v. United States (1910)
In a case from the Philippines, the Supreme Court finds that the definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" is not limited to what the authors of the Constitution understood under that concept.

Meyer v. Nebraska (1923)
A case ruling that parents may decide for themselves if and when their children may learn a foreign language, based upon a fundamental liberty interest individuals have in the family unit.

Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925)

A case deciding that parents may not be forced to send their children to public rather than private schools, based on the idea that, once again, parents have a fundamental liberty in deciding what happens to their children.

Olmstead v. United States (1928)

The court decides that wire tapping is legal, no matter what the reason or motivation, because it is not expressly prohibited in the Constitution. Justice Brandeis' dissent, however, lays the groundwork for future understandings of privacy.

Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942)
An Oklahoma law providing for the sterilization of people found to be "habitual criminals" is struck down, based on idea that all people have a fundamental right to make their own choices about marriage and procreation.

Tileston v. Ullman (1943) & Poe v. Ullman (1961)

The Court refuses to hear a case on Connecticut laws prohibiting the sale of contraceptives because no one can demonstrate they have been harmed. Harlan's dissent in Poe, however, explains why the case should be reviewed and why fundamental privacy interests are at stake.

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)
Connecticut's laws against distribution of contraceptives and contraceptive information to married couples are struck down, with the Court relying on earlier precedent involving the rights of people to make decisions about their families and procreation as a legitimate sphere of privacy.

Loving v. Virginia (1967)
Virginia law against interracial marriages is struck down, with the Court once again declaring that marriage is a "fundamental civil right" and that decisions in this arena are not those with which the State can interefere unless they have good cause.

Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972)

The right of people to have and know about contraceptives is expanded to unmarried couples, because the right of people to make such decisions exists due not simply to the nature of the marriage relationship. Instead, it is also due to the fact that it is individuals making these decisions, and as such the government has no business making it for them, regardless of their marital status.

Roe v. Wade (1973)
The landmark decision which established that women have a basic right to have an abortion, this was based in many ways upon the earlier decisions above. Through the above cases, the Supreme Court developed the idea that the Constitution protects a person's to privacy, particularly when it comes to matters involving children and procreation.

You are mistaken about the numbers. It takes only one court to decree the 14th unrelated to the 10th in this area.
Regards,
CP
 
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