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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Thank you...
    Can you tell me that the "potential" quality of life for the unborn is more important than the present quality of life of a woman already living her life and contributing to society? What is your opinion?
    I don't know how to define potential. That is the beauty of it, right?
    What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
    I'm not trying to skate on this, but when you write [I]"the one seeking abortion" proposes a Universal person. So did my reply of WE.
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    Thank you...
    Can you tell me that the "potential" quality of life for the unborn is more important than the present quality of life of a woman already living her life and contributing to society? What is your opinion?
    I don't know how to define potential. That is the beauty of it, right?
    What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
    I'm not trying to skate on this, but when you write [I]"the one seeking abortion" proposes a Universal person. So did my reply of WE.
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    You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?

    And I listed "what we know," so why are you asking that again? If you disagree, explain why.

    Also, the matter of 'the one seeking abortion' has zero importance when, as in our society, the choice is up to each individual. The universal factor is that choice. That is what we know and that is all that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COTO View Post
    Even if this were true (it's not), how many million years do you want to spread the infection over?
    RE: Italy's mortality rate
    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    Perhaps it because their population is so old(their own doing)?

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Today's anti-abortion definitions: convenience= frivolous reason for getting an abortion examples of anti-abortion frivolous reasons for getting an abortion:

    the family is poor already has 2 kids, the mother and father both work. Dad works 2 jobs. The abortion the wife got was just for convenience sake.
    the woman is in a relationship that is abusive and dangerous. The abortion she got was for her convenience.
    the family already have 3 children, one is severely mentally retarded and takes up most of the mother's time. The abortion she got was just for convenience
    the woman finds out the fetus has life threatening deformities. That abortion was to get rid of this inconvenience
    the couple is working its way out of poverty by attending college a child will end up putting them back into poverty and dependence on the state. The convenience abortion this woman had was to get rid of a fetus that would interrupt her schooling.
    And the the 15 year old got an abortions just for her selfish reasons.

    Yup 100% of abortions are done for frivolous reasons.
    So...if we can allow an abortion to the fantasy situation family you describe, then all other abortions' would be unnecessary and illegal? Or, are there millions of the case you describe?
    I will try to avoid invented emotional appeals to you, if you will stop trying to do that to me.
    How about answering this: How many women seek more than one abortion? And one more compounded, what in the world is wrong with those women and how can you embrace that style of living when you and I generally pay for it???
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?
    No. I know the definition of potential, but can't pass it around like Halloween candy. Yes, potential is unknown. Therein lies our difference in part. It seems you are willing to forego potential of new life and instead place it in the entity seeking an abortion for convenience. To end up in an abortion clinic with the, oh so many, birth control options available has shown not the potential, but the fact of the woman.
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    Back to you...certainly not enough? Are you working some percentage you haven't presented? It seems you are the victim of base and simplistic reasoning by pro-abortion presenters.
    It is unfortunate that those of us that oppose abortion as a mere fact of life are presented as anti-woman. I certainly am not anti-women. I am however proud to argue the rights of the unborn.
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    Yeah...your post had pretty much no relevance.. but if you were to ask me what percentage of abortions were done for "convenience"... In my experience as a medical provider... I'd say less than 1 percent.

    If women were using abortion as a means of birth control.. then the average sexually active women would be having about 4 abortions or more a year. And that ain;t happening.

    Yeah.... No offense but I have a much greater understanding of the issues with abortion and prochoice than ANY anti abortion person. Because the only way to be anti abortion.. is basically to be ignorant. Its pretty much a condition of being anti abortion. Unless you think that its absolutely okay to order a 14 year old girl to die.. because you will force her to keep a baby that will kill her.

    It is unfortunate that those of us that oppose abortion as a mere fact of life are presented as anti-woman.
    Because you are. Because by opposing abortion.. you must then place the life of "the unborn"... over the life of the woman. How can you not be "anti woman"..if you value the collection of cells in my 14 year old patients body more than her life?

    Please explain your position if you disagree.

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    So...if we can allow an abortion to the fantasy situation family you describe, then all other abortions' would be unnecessary and illegal? Or, are there millions of the case you describe?
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    How would you determine which abortions would be legal and which would not be?

    How many women seek more than one abortion?
    Roughly 45 %.

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Yeah...your post had pretty much no relevance.. but if you were to ask me what percentage of abortions were done for "convenience"... In my experience as a medical provider... I'd say less than 1 percent.

    If women were using abortion as a means of birth control.. then the average sexually active women would be having about 4 abortions or more a year. And that ain;t happening.

    Yeah.... No offense but I have a much greater understanding of the issues with abortion and prochoice than ANY anti abortion person. Because the only way to be anti abortion.. is basically to be ignorant. Its pretty much a condition of being anti abortion. Unless you think that its absolutely okay to order a 14 year old girl to die.. because you will force her to keep a baby that will kill her.



    Because you are. Because by opposing abortion.. you must then place the life of "the unborn"... over the life of the woman. How can you not be "anti woman"..if you value the collection of cells in my 14 year old patients body more than her life?

    Please explain your position if you disagree.
    I am not offended. I can't imagine why I might be insulted by one who claims great knowledge(LPN, RN, MD?) and then would expect me to take that writing as proof of anything. Where in the world do you get the statistics you proffer? I never once recalled figures of sexually active women, nor can I understand your extrapolation that all women use abortion for birth control. I have stated that [I]some[I] women use it that way, but never, ever, said all women.
    I very much appreciate your civil tone, but have to deny the conclusions you attribute to me.
    Regards,
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    So...if we can allow an abortion to the fantasy situation family you describe, then all other abortions' would be unnecessary and illegal? Or, are there millions of the case you describe? ...
    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    How would you determine which abortions would be legal and which would not be?

    Roughly 45 %.
    To be fair I would like to add ...
    that a woman may be fertile for about 30 years.

    There are about three decades during which women can become mothers. From about 13 Or 14 years old, ( one of my daughter was 10 when she started having periods and the painful cramping that came with them) when most girls have started to ovulate . Until aabout the mid 40s.

    Some women even become pregnant when they thought they were past menopause.
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    How would you determine which abortions would be legal and which would not be?

    Roughly 45 %.
    Very easy J. Abortions for rape, and incest are examples of those I support. And even those cases ought be considered manslaughter if delayed until removing brain matter is required to complete the abortion. If there be mitigating circumstance in those instancees, let a Jury decide. Others, I choose to protect the unborn.
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    No. I know the definition of potential, but can't pass it around like Halloween candy. Yes, potential is unknown. Therein lies our difference in part. It seems you are willing to forego potential of new life and instead place it in the entity seeking an abortion for convenience. To end up in an abortion clinic with the, oh so many, birth control options available has shown not the potential, but the fact of the woman.
    Regards,
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    And you still refused to answer my questions. Why is that? Please do, as you have agreed to do so.

    Here you go, for reference:

    You dont know how to define 'potential?' Exactly, that is the beauty of it, if you call uncertainty, unquantifiable, 'beauty.' What point are you trying to make there? Isnt something that we have, that's present, actualized, contributing to society more valuable than something that may never be realized? And isnt it more worth protecting?

    And I listed "what we know," so why are you asking that again? If you disagree, explain why.

    Also, the matter of 'the one seeking abortion' has zero importance when, as in our society, the choice is up to each individual. The universal factor is that choice. That is what we know and that is all that matters.

    And here's "what we do know" for your reference and perhaps you will answer that question now as well since I am presenting the list again?

    We do know something about the woman...she's a contributing member of society (unless she's comatose and hospitalized). And it's not hard to imagine that they have responsibilities and obligations to family, employer, church, community, society, etc. that they experience joy and pain and passion and fear and all the normal things that people do. And thus that an unplanned child jeopardizes all those things, including her health.

    What do you know about the one seeking the abortion? You clearly imply "we" know something...so what do you know?
    Last edited by Lursa; 02-11-20 at 08:48 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by COTO View Post
    Even if this were true (it's not), how many million years do you want to spread the infection over?
    RE: Italy's mortality rate
    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    Perhaps it because their population is so old(their own doing)?

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