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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    Y2L, Thank you for your considered reply. I do have a couple of exceptions.
    The time line you show with the denial of credit, inability to get an apartment, etc. are ending's no more valid or predictable than opining that the aborted child will cure cancer, conquer space/time or any other fairy tale ending. We can't predict the outcome of the delivered, we can only know the immediate result of abortion.
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    A woman going into continuing pregnancy without adequate resources is very likely to have adverse outcome. If she is already scraping by to make ends meet...outside of a miracle or mysterious benefactor...this situation will only get worse. Women who are in such positions are more likely to make unfortunate decisions in order to not be homeless. Ending up with controlling abusive men with no way out . The women making these decisions have limited resources.

    That timeline is a current and near future timeline.

    A poster here talked about speaking with his female family members...and they all stated pregnancy was a mere inconvenience. I asked him if his female family members had good social resources, good access to health care, and housing security. I never got a response back. I asked twice. My guess is the lack of response answered my question. Women who chose abortion are more often than not, lacking resources -medical/social/financial. Given the lack of such resources....it is a bit easier to predict outcomes.

    I thank God I never felt compelled due to my situation to make such decisions. I have had the luxury of good financial/social/medical resources nearly all of my life.

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A woman going into continuing pregnancy without adequate resources is very likely to have adverse outcome. If she is already scraping by to make ends meet...outside of a miracle or mysterious benefactor...this situation will only get worse. Women who are in such positions are more likely to make unfortunate decisions in order to not be homeless. Ending up with controlling abusive men with no way out . The women making these decisions have limited resources.

    That timeline is a current and near future timeline.

    A poster here talked about speaking with his female family members...and they all stated pregnancy was a mere inconvenience. I asked him if his female family members had good social resources, good access to health care, and housing security. I never got a response back. I asked twice. My guess is the lack of response answered my question. Women who chose abortion are more often than not, lacking resources -medical/social/financial. Given the lack of such resources....it is a bit easier to predict outcomes.

    I thank God I never felt compelled due to my situation to make such decisions. I have had the luxury of good financial/social/medical resources nearly all of my life.
    I understand your concern, but aren't you considering only the worst case scenario's? There are far too many abortions for convenience.
    Admittedly, I can't substantiate the numerical difference between the two different situations. My only wonder of your usual considered reply ,is why birth control, which is easily available isn't the first choice, or at least the day after consideration. Those two options are as easily available as abortion. Why wait so very long? My own answer, only my opinion of course, is the slovenly lifestyle lived by those who wait so long, Again, my opinion, is that defending late term abortion is to embrace a cavalier view of life. Not so very much removed from embracing the willfully homeless as victims...of what is an unknown thing.
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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    Scr..aren't you forgetting the very being from which the argument commences? Only her body is affected? Perhaps so, unless the aborted fetus is female, in which case it would be hers and hers...otherwise, it is hers and his.
    Body affected? What affects a body more than the end of life?
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    I said affected by the PREGNANCY. The zef is part of the pregnancy.

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    I understand your concern, but aren't you considering only the worst case scenario's? There are far too many abortions for convenience.
    Admittedly, I can't substantiate the numerical difference between the two different situations. My only wonder of your usual considered reply ,is why birth control, which is easily available isn't the first choice, or at least the day after consideration. Those two options are as easily available as abortion. Why wait so very long? My own answer, only my opinion of course, is the slovenly lifestyle lived by those who wait so long, Again, my opinion, is that defending late term abortion is to embrace a cavalier view of life. Not so very much removed from embracing the willfully homeless as victims...of what is an unknown thing.
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    Most women who choose abortion are in fact poor or working poor - which already leads to housing insecurity. Most already are without insurance or on Medicaid (in many areas this leaves you with clinics with long waits- even with appointments - even further limiting ability to work. Most already have a child they are raising .That is not trivial convenience. That is a woman fearing homelessness and the health and welfare of herself and her born children.


    I think a pragmatic discussion is more helpful. What will prevent abortions? Since it is not pragmatic to think people will stop having "recreational" sex...how about improving access and availability of the most reliable contraception. Long term contraception is highly effective for years. Unfortunately, the women most at risk for choosing abortion - too rich for Medicaid, too poor for insurance or self pay - cannot afford the price tag (about twice the cost of an abortion).

    Development with availability and accessibility of long term contraception would be a real boost as well.

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    Re: [W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by manofknowledge View Post
    Human is an adjective as well as a noun. As adjective it describes an object as being from a human e.g. human hair. Hair is not a human. Human fetus is not a human it is from a human. It cannot live independently from the mother. It is part of the mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    Sorry, my Florida cousin. You are incorrect. Many fetus' can and have survived independent of the mother.
    Further, your point is noted, but your logic is failing. You write as if: birds have two legs, people have two legs, birds fly, therefore human's fly.
    The important issue is the ability of the living to erase those that will follow. Do you see that?
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    You are mistaken a fetus does not become viable until past 21 weeks.

    At 20 weeks the lungs do not even have air sacs.

    At 20 weeks the lungs of the fetus are the consistency of gelatin.



    The youngest premie to ever live was 21 weeks 5 days old and was considered a medical miracle.

    Elective abortions do not take place that late.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by concernedpuma View Post
    Y2L, Thank you for your considered reply. I do have a couple of exceptions.
    The time line you show with the denial of credit, inability to get an apartment, etc. are ending's no more valid or predictable than opining that the aborted child will cure cancer, conquer space/time or any other fairy tale ending. We can't predict the outcome of the delivered, we can only know the immediate result of abortion.
    Regards,
    CP
    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A woman going into continuing pregnancy without adequate resources is very likely to have adverse outcome. If she is already scraping by to make ends meet...outside of a miracle or mysterious benefactor...this situation will only get worse. Women who are in such positions are more likely to make unfortunate decisions in order to not be homeless. Ending up with controlling abusive men with no way out . The women making these decisions have limited resources.

    That timeline is a current and near future timeline.

    A poster here talked about speaking with his female family members...and they all stated pregnancy was a mere inconvenience. I asked him if his female family members had good social resources, good access to health care, and housing security. I never got a response back. I asked twice. My guess is the lack of response answered my question. Women who chose abortion are more often than not, lacking resources -medical/social/financial. Given the lack of such resources....it is a bit easier to predict outcomes.

    I thank God I never felt compelled due to my situation to make such decisions. I have had the luxury of good financial/social/medical resources nearly all of my life.
    I agree.

    I had complications early on during my first pregnancy.
    I had to quit my part time job and I had to drop the college classes we had paid for.

    Thankfully my husband was there to support us financially, emotionally ,and physically.
    Last edited by minnie616; Yesterday at 12:05 AM.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A great question for pro abortion types

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I agree.

    I had complications early on during my first pregnancy.
    I had to quit my part time job and I had to drop the college classes we had paid for.

    Thankfully my husband was there to support us financially, emotionally ,and physically.
    I was off work nearly six months. The little income I got was not even enough to pay rent let alone cobra payments.

    I was lucky to have a strong support system.

    Most people who chose abortion do not have such "luxuries".

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