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[W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Logical1 said:
Which is greater, the life of the baby or a womans "rights"??????
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It is this type of moronic tripe that makes a case for people who want to ban guns.
 
A different world

Logical1 said:
You can call and unborn baby any damned thing you want to, fetus or what ever, but it is still a human being with its own DNA. Killing a human being is murder.

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What you're calling a human being, Roe calls a fetus. As the fetus hasn't been born, it isn't a person, in the legal sense. & therefore it has no rights. & therefore, abortion under Roe - before the fetus reaches viability - is not murder. Roe says that, in the text of the holding.

US law has its own logic, & vocabulary, & procedures. If you want to argue a legal issue, it helps to understand the arena's rules.
 
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Gaius46 said:
How’s this for logical? You’re barking up the wrong tree. The baby’s humanity is isn’t what matters. What matters is the woman’s right to self determination. Her right to decide what to do with her body.
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Didn't she use self determination and make a body choice when the pregnancy occurred?
Regards,
CP
 
Nihil obstat?

Logical1 said:
The day may come when you have to explain that position (abortion). And then beg forgiveness!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wasn't this you @ the OP?:

Any logical comments?

The quoted material in line 1 above sounds like a theological position. Have we now switched gears, & we're not interested anymore in logic?
 
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concernedpuma said:
Didn't she use self determination and make a body choice when the pregnancy occurred?
Regards,
CP
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The same way a smoker chose lung cancer
 
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prometeus said:
It is this type of moronic tripe that makes a case for people who want to ban guns.
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It is neither moronic, nor tripe. It is an opinion you are unwilling to address. It seems you believe that labeling anything in opposition to you unworthy in some fashion, elevates you. It doesn't. It harkens back to school yard bullies! Demeaning ones equals also demeans oneself.
Regards,
CP
 
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Logical1 said:
The question is-----------if the baby aborted is not human, why are organs being harvested from them. That doesnt seem to compute.

Any logical comments?
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Science takes samples of everything in this world including rocks, and dirt. We can now grow a human ear on the back of a rat that can replace an ear on a human who lost one. The rat isn't human, but the ear because it started off with human tissue, is made up of the same material as humans is. We nave been doing this with plants for years, it called tissue culture, and cloning. We are just starting to do this with higher forms of life. So if that doesn't compute, take a cutting from a plant, and stick it in a glass of water. You can get a whole new plant exactly like the one you took the tissue from without going through the cycle of sex, and producing seed. That's why they want embryo tissue, it isn't contaminated by anything yet.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Logical1 said:
Wrong you are either pro abortion, or against it.
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Pro choice is simply a way to dress the salad. It is pro abortion.
 
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Crystal said:
Pro choice is simply a way to dress the salad. It is pro abortion.
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Like pro heart surgery or pro cancer treatment
 
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vegas giants said:
No cancer treatment for smokers!!!!!!
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You seem to equate suicide with abortion. Quite honestly I know of no PLANNED SMOKERHOOD fighting for the rights of smokers. If I smoke and get cancer, then that is my fault. If I smoke and can then somehow choose to kill another because I made that dumb choice, that is quite a different thing.
Regards,
CP
 
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concernedpuma said:
You seem to equate suicide with abortion. Quite honestly I know of no PLANNED SMOKERHOOD fighting for the rights of smokers. If I smoke and get cancer, then that is my fault. If I smoke and can then somehow choose to kill another because I made that dumb choice, that is quite a different thing.
Regards,
CP
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If it is your fault then dont clog up the waiting list for cancer doctors with your irresponsible behavior.
 
A great question for pro abortion types

concernedpuma said:
Didn't she use self determination and make a body choice when the pregnancy occurred?
Regards,
CP
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Sex is not only about making babies and never has been. So no I don’t buy the idea that bully having sex you’ve agreed to have a child.
 
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Re: A great question for pro abortion types

concernedpuma said:
It is neither moronic, nor tripe.
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Actually it is both and that you can not see that also says a lot.

It is an opinion you are unwilling to address.
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There was nothing to address, only to identify the stupidity which I did.

It seems you believe that labeling anything in opposition to you unworthy in some fashion, elevates you.
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I labeled nothing and there was no opposition only ignorant drivel, much like your rant in this post.
 
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Gaius46 said:
No. Sex is not only about making babies and never has been.
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I agree that today certainly, sex is more than procreation. But, my point stands. It is about the use of body choice and ones own behavior that can result in unwanted pregnancy.
I understand the clear and awful difference between rape and consensual sex> I am not addressing that clear difference, which IMHO is one of few valid exception's.
Regards,
CP
 
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prometeus said:
Actually it is both and that you can not see that also says a lot.

There was nothing to address, only to identify the stupidity which I did.

I labeled nothing and there was no opposition only ignorant drivel, much like your rant in this post.
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You certainly are quick on the insult draw! I'll bet you were something on the playground. That you decide something is drivel because you don't like it says much about you as well, friend.
Regards,
CP
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

concernedpuma said:
I agree that today certainly, sex is more than procreation. But, my point stands. It is about the use of body choice and ones own behavior that can result in unwanted pregnancy.
I understand the clear and awful difference between rape and consensual sex> I am not addressing that clear difference, which IMHO is one of few valid exception's.
Regards,
CP
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I choose to ride a motorcycle knowing full well that there is a risk of injury attendant with riding a motorcycle. My acceptance of that risk in no way limits my options for dealing with the aftermath of an accident.

Abortion is no different. Acceptance of the risk that one might become pregnant is not acceptance of the outcome of having a baby.
 
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southwest88 said:
Originally Posted by Logical1
The question is-----------if the baby aborted is not human, why are organs being harvested from them. That doesnt seem to compute.

Any logical comments?



Baby isn't aborted - it's a fetus, & that's by the holding of the US Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade, 1973 CE. Essentially, the SC holds that in order to be a person - from a legal POV - the fetus has to be born - that is, be a baby.

The fetus isn't a person, & so has no rights. & therfore, the woman can elect to have an abortion, up until the fetus is viable.

The humanity of the fetus was never in question, & the SC didn't rule on that, TMK.
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To a couple that really want a child but unfortunately have to abort the pregnancy, then that is a baby being aborted. To someone who has no stake in the pregnancy it is a fetus. But in general it is a life.

Playing the semantics game is what the prolifers do because they lack any intelligent argument to back them.

It is not a case of whether it is a baby or a fetus or a life. Abortion is not about the unfortunate consequence. Abortion is an issue of a woman having the right to choose. It is about understanding that she is not defined by her womb but by the person she chooses to be.
 
Re: A great question for pro abortion types

concernedpuma said:
You certainly are quick on the insult draw!
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So for you truth and reality are insulting. Why I am not surprised?

I'll bet you were something on the playground.
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Looks like you have a lot of experience there. Why not educate yourself instead of hanging out on a playground?

That you decide something is drivel because you don't like it
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That it is drivel has nothing to do with my liking it.

says much about you as well, friend.
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Yes, unlike you I know drivel when I see it and I am not your friend.
 
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prometeus said:
So for you truth and reality are insulting. Why I am not surprised?

Looks like you have a lot of experience there. Why not educate yourself instead of hanging out on a playground?

That it is drivel has nothing to do with my liking it.

Yes, unlike you I know drivel when I see it and I am not your friend.
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I am sorry you choose to not be a friend. But, other than that, I am through bandying words with you.
Goodbye,
CP
 
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