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Republicans justification for denying a rape victim an abortion

Stealers Wheel said:
The problem I have with rape is the fact that often it is the victim who is put on trial. "Do you always dress that way, miss?"

I would like to see rape treated as any other aggravated assault. If he beats her up or he rapes her, it's all the same to me. If there is evidence to support it, convict him.

Adultery, like marriage is a civil matter, not criminal, and as such should be dealt with accordingly.
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Your answer is hardly specific, but it sounds to me as though your views on crime and punishment are indistinguishable from those of the society in which we live. In the coming years and decades, we'll see what happens to this society, whether it endures and flourishes or falls apart like a cheap bag of garbage, it let that be our verdict on whose views are sick and foolish.

minnie616 said:
COTO seems to think the solution to overpopulation is the death penalty for any crimes he deems are punishable.
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As I said before, this is in a hypothetical built-from-the-ground-up society. Bear in mind the caveats from #60, which I took the time to disclaim in great detail.
 
COTO said:
Your answer is hardly specific, but it sounds to me as though your views on crime and punishment are indistinguishable from those of the society in which we live. In the coming years and decades, we'll see what happens to this society, whether it endures and flourishes or falls apart like a cheap bag of garbage, it let that be our verdict on whose views are sick and foolish.
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OK. You didn't like my answer. Got it. You on the other hand ascribe to a version of Sharia law to remedy society's ill. There are nations in the world that are more in line with your thinking.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Since DP is not on the table for rape in most jurisdictions, no, we have no "proof". Perhaps you are willing to conduct an experiment and make DP mandatory for all convicted of rape. Then we could allow that to stand for a few decades and see if more or less dead rape victims show up. Then we would have the proof you require (or not), apparently lacking common sense.

Do you deny the premise? Are you of the opinion that rapists will have no incentive to kill the only witness to their crime?
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So, it's speculation. Got it.

And yes, I'd like to see the d/p apply to rapists.
 
COTO said:
How about you? What would the penalties for rape, adultery, and masturbation be in your from-the-ground-up society?
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Rape - death
Adultery - not illegal
Masturbation - not illegal
 
COTO said:
Firstly, there's no action anyone can take that doesn't affect others. Even taking a breath of air slightly disturbs one's surrounding environment, and the disturbance spreads and grows rapidly, chaotically, until it engulfs the entire planet, irreversibly changing the course of history in relatively short order. Such are the mathematics of chaos.
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Spare me your idiocy.

Secondly, I assure you that neither rape nor adultery come anywhere near falling inside this category.
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You are right, I made the mistake of not specifically excluding rape, a horrible thing to happen to anyone. I am sorry for that.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
OK. You didn't like my answer. Got it. You on the other hand ascribe to a version of Sharia law to remedy society's ill. There are nations in the world that are more in line with your thinking.
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The ideal system of law dissembles Sharia law as much as it dissembles the law of Western society.

Sharia law requires women to wear specific clothes, live in specific places, and obey numerous Islamic strictures. The ideal system has no such requirements.

Sharia law divests women and foreigners (i.e. non-Muslims) of all rights, up to and including the ability to buy and sell, own property, or commute freely in public while unaccompanied. The ideal system has no such injunctions.

Sharia law holds a woman responsible for her rape and asserts that her family is duty-bound to kill her in order to preserve family honour. The ideal system neither holds the woman responsible, nor imposes any kind of punishment, nor sanctions honour killings.

Sharia law makes no provisions for mercy or leniency on the basis of age, mental competence, extenuating circumstances, etc. The ideal system includes such provisions.

It total, you'd find that Sharia law shares as little in common with the ideal system as present-day Western law. If you ignore the differences or fail to perceive their relevance, that's your problem.
 
COTO said:
In my from-the-ground-up society, adultery would likewise be punishable by death, hence these circumstances would never occur.
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In my "from-the-ground-up" society adultery would never occur because I'd outlaw marriage. Seriously, it's a concept that defies the natural instinct. Hell, if I was the king...

If I was the King
I would get myself a bitchin' crown
And I'd make all the bitches call me Sir Master Jack
I'd have a castle and a bitchin' throne
And at night I'd go into town
In a big stretch Hummer with a hot tub and a bar

If I was the King
I would outlaw clothes for chicks
So you could see if they shaved their ******s
Or if they were hiding dicks
I'd lower the drinking age
So little kids could get drunk too
And I'd make it a ****ing crime to wear a wedding ring
If I was the King (It'd ****in' be nice right)

I'd knock down all the schools
And put up liquor stores
And give free boob jobs to the strippers and the whores
I would outlaw condom sales
Feed the homeless to the whales
And if you didn't like steel panther
You would go to jail!

If I was the King
I'd make beer the official food
An you'd never have to take the trash out
If you happened to be born a dude
You could buy hand grenades at Starbucks
And take a **** right on the street
And I'd kill Katy Perry so I wouldn't have to hear her sing
If I was the King

Her comes the court jester man, whoa

And if the mother****ing peasants didn't like it
I would tell them all to suck my dick
Suck my dick
Suck my dick

I'd legalize masturbation
At every strip joint in the nation
And the minimum cup size would have to be a double D
Oh yeah
But if you were in a band
You wouldn't have to use your hand
There'd be mandatory blowjobs for guys like you and me!

If I was the King
Megan Fox would be my Queen
But I'd still **** Christie Brinkley
And any girl older than sixteen
I'd execute One Direction
And drop a nuke on the middle east
But I'd take the oil first so we wouldn't have to feel the sting
If I was the King
If I was the King
If I was the King

-Steel Panther-
 
Jack Fabulous said:
In my "from-the-ground-up" society adultery would never occur because I'd outlaw marriage. Seriously, it's a concept that defies the natural instinct. Hell, if I was the king...
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Always good to be reminded we have a ways to go yet before we hit rock bottom plumbing the depths of perversity. Glass half full, and all that.
 
Democrats would murder an innocent baby because of the crime of the father. That is sick, twisted, and disgusting, and it proves that Liberals have no morals at all.


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