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You anti abortion advocates with your judgement of what women can and can't do to their own body.

Ahlevah said:
I am doing something about it. I vote. I support political candidates who believe, like me, that abortion is morally reprehensible. We trivialize human life when people who CHOOSE to irresponsibly engage in unprotected sex or have a fling then think they should have the right to not assume responsibility their own stupidity.
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Over 65 percent of women of childbearing years in the USA use artificial birth control consistently.

In fact 90 percent of women of child bearing years in the USA are either using birth control consistently, are not able to get pregnant due to a medical condition or medical procedure, are not sexually active or are currently pregnant ( 9 percent )

10 percent are high risk , they either use a natural method such as the rhythm method or none at all.


No artificial birth control method is 100 percent.

Unintended pregnancies are falling in the USA.

Due to more women using more reliable artificial birth control they fell 6 percent
the last several years .


The researchers found that the proportion of pregnancies in the United States that were unintended dropped from 51% of all pregnancies between 2006 to 2010 to 45% between 2009 and 2013. Looking at women 15 to 44 years old in the general population, they determined that 54 out of 1,000 women had an unintended pregnancy between 2006 and 2010, compared with only 45 out of 1,000 in the more recent period.
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Unintended pregnancy rate in U.S. is high, but falling - CNN
 
Chezanie said:
Ehem. Giving children a chance to live and perhaps be adopted is better then killing them.

Also, newborns are usually snatched up very quickly, so I hear. It’s the teenagers that have it hard.
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There's thousand of unwanted kids that are in foster homes many to their detriment. You painting a picture of what people like you will do to help these unwanted is a joke , a clown act and total bull**** , you will do nothing other then wag you hair brain tongue.
 
Ahlevah said:
So whom DO you accept? What authority convinced you that destroying human life is moral, especially when it's the result of, say, a fling or a one-night stand? :confused:
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Apparently you have not heard that flings and one night stands are becoming a thing of the past.

The number of American adults not having sex has a reached a new high.

The number of American adults reporting that they have not had sex in the past year hit a record high in 2018, data shows.

The Washington Post analyzed the latest data from the General Social Survey and found that 23 percent of adults, or nearly 1 in 4, said they had not had sex in the past year. A large number of them were “20-something men,” the newspaper reported.
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Read more:

Number of American adults not having sex reaches all-time high, report says | Fox News
 
Ahlevah said:
I am doing something about it. I vote. I support political candidates who believe, like me, that abortion is morally reprehensible. We trivialize human life when people who CHOOSE to irresponsibly engage in unprotected sex or have a fling then think they should have the right to not assume responsibility their own stupidity.
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Bull**** you do nothing but wag your tongue , you want a voice in this issue then do something about it. So you elected president scum bag who has used abortion 100 times more then the average person. Your a hypocrite. You can have your opinion but unless you do what is needed to be done with what is needed in taking care of these millions of unwanted don't share you crap with me. If you complain it is your responsibility to pay for what your demanding not me ,you.
 
Ahlevah said:
So whom DO you accept? What authority convinced you that destroying human life is moral, especially when it's the result of, say, a fling or a one-night stand? :confused:
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You pompous hypocrite , It's your problem not mine you fix it. You pay for what your demanding , you take care of all the unwanted. it's on you 100% not on me. Who did you vote for, for president? Nothing else has to be said.
 
Ahlevah said:
So whom DO you accept? What authority convinced you that destroying human life is moral, especially when it's the result of, say, a fling or a one-night stand? :confused:
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There is no human life, you don't get to define it , our courts do and our politicians do. Yours is simply a pain in the ass voice from your world trying to inflict what you think is right on me , It's all yours to solve and it is your responsibility not mine. yours.
 
You need serious help. Stop acting so bitter and angry, and try to debate respectfully and maybe people will listen to you more.
 
Chezanie said:
You need serious help. Stop acting so bitter and angry, and try to debate respectfully and maybe people will listen to you more.
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As if anyone listens in an abortion thread .....
 
Very true. So much bickering and fighting here, instead of debating on these threads. People can get very mad and judgmental here.

More emotion then facts most of the time.
 
jbander said:
You pompous hypocrite , It's your problem not mine you fix it. You pay for what your demanding , you take care of all the unwanted. it's on you 100% not on me. Who did you vote for, for president? Nothing else has to be said.
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If this is a civil society, then it's everyone's problem to fix. Your solution is to throw up your hands, say people are gonna **** anyway, so let them do what they want with the result, even if it places human life at the bottom of the evolutionary scale. Then you want to just run away and make others clean up the mess. You need to go back to your blackboard, get out your eraser, and start all over, because that's not a solution.
 
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Oborosen said:
So tell me. Why should I put up my own money, for something that I you say I shouldn't have a say in?
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Because, as I said, you have no say in it without contributing your money. It's up to you totally , the people who support the right of women to do what they choose to do with their body, have nothing to do with taking care of the unwanted Children , that is 100% you and since it is your prime issue it's all you.
 
Ahlevah said:
If this is a civil society, then it's everyone's problem to fix. Your solution is to throw up your hands, say people are gonna **** anyway, so let them do what they want with the result, even if it places human life at the bottom of the evolutionary scale. Then you want to just run away and make others clean up the mess. You need to go back to your blackboard, get out your eraser, and start all over, because that's not a solution.
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You have nothing worth listening to till you and the rest of you cowboys take in the 100,000 that need adoption and the millions that are in foster care , otherwise you have nothing to say as a group.
 
Ahlevah said:
If this is a civil society, then it's everyone's problem to fix. Your solution is to throw up your hands, say people are gonna **** anyway, so let them do what they want with the result, even if it places human life at the bottom of the evolutionary scale. Then you want to just run away and make others clean up the mess. You need to go back to your blackboard, get out your eraser, and start all over, because that's not a solution.
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By the way you don't get your own definition of a Civil society, you support sa system that the old send the young to get killed in wars for the sake of American corporations. Like I said you have nothing to say about this , it's all up to you to pay for everything that is needed to accomplish your goal as far as abortion is concerned, hell even with abortion you hypocrites haven't taken care of the young that need homes now.
 
Chezanie said:
Ehem. Giving children a chance to live and perhaps be adopted is better then killing them.

Also, newborns are usually snatched up very quickly, so I hear. It’s the teenagers that have it hard.
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Yes..and those teenagers wouldnt have been there so long if more and more cute little infants were not added to that pool and gotten snapped up instead. That's the point. Those older kids and teens suffer. The unborn know nothing. But kids are waiting, hoping....your encouragement to add more babies actively causes them harm.
 
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Ahlevah said:
I am doing something about it. I vote. I support political candidates who believe, like me, that abortion is morally reprehensible. We trivialize human life when people who CHOOSE to irresponsibly engage in unprotected sex or have a fling then think they should have the right to not assume responsibility their own stupidity.
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I commend you for the importance you put on responsibility. I do as well. And I recognize that abortion can be a very responsible option:

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and know you may abuse or neglect.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant/having a child and not being able to fulfill your other commitments and obligations to family, dependents, employer, church, community, society.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.​

I hope this puts your mind more at ease. If this doesnt, can you explain why?
 
Amelia said:
If there are "plenty" then why are so many kids stuck in the foster system?

Because there aren't enough.
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Older kids are harder to place, and are generally kids removed from the home because the parents are unfit. These kids often have serious emotional, behavioral problems. Which makes them harder to place. But every healthy new born baby, which is what abortion deals with, can be placed. There are long waiting lists for healthy babies.
 
Oborosen said:
So tell me. Why should I put up my own money, for something that I you say I shouldn't have a say in?
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None of your federal tax dollars go to abortion. However, any that do go to clinics that provide reproductive counseling and services save you much much more in the long run.

US taxpayers save $7 or every $1 the govt spends on family planning

U.S. Taxpayers Save $7 For Every Dollar The Government Spends On Family Planning – ThinkProgress

Publicly Funded Family Planning Services in the United States | Guttmacher Institute

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/journals/MQ-Frost_1468-0009.12080.pdf
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Waddy said:
Older kids are harder to place, and are generally kids removed from the home because the parents are unfit. These kids often have serious emotional, behavioral problems. Which makes them harder to place. But every healthy new born baby, which is what abortion deals with, can be placed. There are long waiting lists for healthy babies.
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If little cute babies werent continually added unnecessarily to the adoption pool, then those kids would all have a better chance at getting homes.
 
Chezanie said:
Ehem. Giving children a chance to live and perhaps be adopted is better then killing them.

Also, newborns are usually snatched up very quickly, so I hear. It’s the teenagers that have it hard.
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Children are not commodities.

Adoption is wrong, IMO. I do not support it. What other women choose to do is not my business.
 
Ahlevah said:
I am doing something about it. I vote. I support political candidates who believe, like me, that abortion is morally reprehensible. We trivialize human life when people who CHOOSE to irresponsibly engage in unprotected sex or have a fling then think they should have the right to not assume responsibility their own stupidity.
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Having an abortion IS taking responsibility.

Do let us know when YOUR body will undergo the trauma of gestation and childbirth.

BTW, how many have YOU adopted?
 
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Waddy said:
Older kids are harder to place, and are generally kids removed from the home because the parents are unfit. These kids often have serious emotional, behavioral problems. Which makes them harder to place.
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How did they get that way?
 
Waddy said:
Older kids are harder to place, and are generally kids removed from the home because the parents are unfit. These kids often have serious emotional, behavioral problems. Which makes them harder to place. But every healthy new born baby, which is what abortion deals with, can be placed. There are long waiting lists for healthy babies.
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That's cute. A long waiting list for healthy babies.

Abortion is very often about the nonhealthy babies.

I'm not arguing abortion with you. I'm still confident that John Roberts will not want to be the Chief Justice of a Supreme Court which goes down in history as the one which took away women's reproductive freedom. So, though people like you _might_ be successful at chipping around the edges of women's rights, I am satisfied that for the most part you will not be successful. And thanks to the GOP throwing away their dignity and principles by falling in line behind the abomination now in the White House, the backlash will be tremendous and whatever little you can do to our rights we will get it back soon.

When we see news like this coming out of states like Kansas, I feel safe from people like you:

Kansas Supreme Court Rules State Constitution Protects Right To Abortion

In spite of the narrow electoral fluke which brought Trump to power, the majority of this still great (in spite of Trump) nation is not on your side.
 
Lursa said:
If little cute babies werent continually added unnecessarily to the adoption pool, then those kids would all have a better chance at getting homes.
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I doubt it. People will wait years for a newborn even though there are older kids readily available. What you're advocating is called the "substitution effect". But it doesn't always work.
 
Scrabaholic said:
How did they get that way?
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Because they weren't available for adoption as infants. It takes social services years to remove kids from unfit parents; by that time they are older and harder to place.
 
Waddy said:
I doubt it. People will wait years for a newborn even though there are older kids readily available. What you're advocating is called the "substitution effect". But it doesn't always work.
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But it still does the harm that it does. It's immoral IMO to encourage women to have kids knowing they'll be further feeding a giant abys where kids wait for families. And the longer they wait, the less 'adoptable' and less socialized they become. As these kids age out of the system, they are at higher risk of having the inability to conduct positive social commitments and of having fewer opportunities in life. It's harmful to society overall.
 
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