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You anti abortion advocates with your judgement of what women can and can't do to their own body.

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Well It's totally up to you, the law won't change and you will never stop people from having sex. So Your only response is to put up the money for every pregnant women to take care of their needs during her pregnancy until the time they are adopted. And you have to supply the people needed to adopt everyone that is covered by your conscience. Before the women commits to a unwanted pregnancy. Everything else is s joke . The people who are apposed to this should resolve this themselves , I don't want any part of saying what a women can do to their own body. Get together as a group and raise the funds needed to do this . Otherwise you voice in my opinion is wasted energy. Want to see Hypocrisy , the right is led in this anti abortion folly by a man who has used this himself more then99.9% of the population. Yup President Pumpkin man.
 
jbander said:
Well It's totally up to you, the law won't change and you will never stop people from having sex. So Your only response is to put up the money for every pregnant women to take care of their needs during her pregnancy until the time they are adopted. And you have to supply the people needed to adopt everyone that is covered by your conscience. Before the women commits to a unwanted pregnancy. Everything else is s joke . The people who are apposed to this should resolve this themselves , I don't want any part of saying what a women can do to their own body. Get together as a group and raise the funds needed to do this . Otherwise you voice in my opinion is wasted energy. Want to see Hypocrisy , the right is led in this anti abortion folly by a man who has used this himself more then99.9% of the population. Yup President Pumpkin man.
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It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
 
jbander said:
Well It's totally up to you, the law won't change and you will never stop people from having sex. So Your only response is to put up the money for every pregnant women to take care of their needs during her pregnancy until the time they are adopted. And you have to supply the people needed to adopt everyone that is covered by your conscience. Before the women commits to a unwanted pregnancy. Everything else is s joke . The people who are apposed to this should resolve this themselves , I don't want any part of saying what a women can do to their own body. Get together as a group and raise the funds needed to do this . Otherwise you voice in my opinion is wasted energy. Want to see Hypocrisy , the right is led in this anti abortion folly by a man who has used this himself more then99.9% of the population. Yup President Pumpkin man.
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So tell me. Why should I put up my own money, for something that I you say I shouldn't have a say in?
 
jbander said:
Well It's totally up to you, the law won't change and you will never stop people from having sex. So Your only response is to put up the money for every pregnant women to take care of their needs during her pregnancy until the time they are adopted. And you have to supply the people needed to adopt everyone that is covered by your conscience. Before the women commits to a unwanted pregnancy. Everything else is s joke . The people who are apposed to this should resolve this themselves , I don't want any part of saying what a women can do to their own body. Get together as a group and raise the funds needed to do this . Otherwise you voice in my opinion is wasted energy. Want to see Hypocrisy , the right is led in this anti abortion folly by a man who has used this himself more then99.9% of the population. Yup President Pumpkin man.
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Decent people (those opposed to child killing) are not obliged to pay ransom to every terrorist who comes along (which is effectively what you're demanding).

Next please.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
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If there are "plenty" then why are so many kids stuck in the foster system?

Because there aren't enough.
 
Amelia said:
If there are "plenty" then why are so many kids stuck in the foster system?

Because there aren't enough.
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It's much easier for an infant to be adopted than an older kid. Presumably, a mother who was going to abort a fetus would immediately place it up for adoption. So your solution of murdering kids so we don't have to worry about them entering foster care is not only disconnected from reality, it's also immoral.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's much easier for an infant to be adopted than an older kid. Presumably, a mother who was going to abort a fetus would immediately place it up for adoption. So your solution of murdering kids so we don't have to worry about them entering foster care is not only disconnected from reality, it's also immoral.
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Yeah. You'll understand that I don't accept you as a credible arbiter of morality.

But thanks anyway.
 
Oborosen said:
So tell me. Why should I put up my own money, for something that I you say I shouldn't have a say in?
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Because what you have is just opinion, it's not based on anything real.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's much easier for an infant to be adopted than an older kid. Presumably, a mother who was going to abort a fetus would immediately place it up for adoption. So your solution of murdering kids so we don't have to worry about them entering foster care is not only disconnected from reality, it's also immoral.
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How many of said kids have you adopted?
 
Ahlevah said:
It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
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Abortion is not murder. I do not believe in adoption, so I would never advocate it, though it's not my business if others choose to pawn their children onto others to raise. But women are not broodmares for the barren.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
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Your talking about expecting something , the point is you can't and in no time in history would you have been able to. Fine set up the adoption before the birth, in fact in the beginning would be better, and give them the money they need that in most occasions they don't have to fund the project. That's simply on you , not me you. No government funding .100% you. You want to lay this on the women that is pregnant , fine nothing changes then.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
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So how many would you like to adopt?
 
AmNat said:
Decent people (those opposed to child killing) are not obliged to pay ransom to every terrorist who comes along (which is effectively what you're demanding).

Next please.
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Turn that around - aren't terrorists like you demanding we have babies we can't afford and can't care for?? What do you want to raise them so they can be used for target practice in school??
Yes let's talk about terrorism...........please.
 
Oborosen said:
So tell me. Why should I put up my own money, for something that I you say I shouldn't have a say in?
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The money and the setup adoption is a solution ,don't like it , then it stays the same , but keep your bull**** about Abortion to your self. You have no say in that unless you do something about it. It;s all you buddy. My opinion.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's much easier for an infant to be adopted than an older kid. Presumably, a mother who was going to abort a fetus would immediately place it up for adoption. So your solution of murdering kids so we don't have to worry about them entering foster care is not only disconnected from reality, it's also immoral.
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Great - I can't wait until you have to have a child........oh wait. Really not your problem. Is it.
 
AmNat said:
Decent people (those opposed to child killing) are not obliged to pay ransom to every terrorist who comes along (which is effectively what you're demanding).

Next please.
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What a hoot, Terrorist now , you must be a wank Conservative. Put your money where your mouth is, or just go away.
 
Amelia said:
If there are "plenty" then why are so many kids stuck in the foster system?

Because there aren't enough.
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and living on the streets, where the girls allow themselves to get used to have a roof over their heads.
 
Ahlevah said:
It's much easier for an infant to be adopted than an older kid. Presumably, a mother who was going to abort a fetus would immediately place it up for adoption. So your solution of murdering kids so we don't have to worry about them entering foster care is not only disconnected from reality, it's also immoral.
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Put your money where your mouth is,tell me why people who support abortions would get involved in this , It's all you. Do something about it or keep the bull**** to yourself/
 
Ahlevah said:
It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
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So how many would you like to adopt?
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I know a man who adopted six children. He only planned to adopt three, but the third little one had two older siblings in the foster system so he and his wife decided they couldn't later tell the little one that they left her older brothers to fend for themselves, so they took them all. All three of the siblings were born drug dependent. Then their bio-mom had another child, also born drug dependent, and my friend adopted that baby also.

But parents like that are few and far between.



Bad enough when the drug addicts have babies over and over ... Ahlevah wants to force them to have the babies and leave the special needs children to the cold realities of our over-burdened child welfare system.

(P.s., I breezed past his claims that abortion is murder and that fetuses are children. Not going to get hung up on legal definitions with a keyboard jockey who wants to force women to bear unwanted children. I wonder if we went back to his old posts would we find him advocating for reduction of funds for helping impoverished families? I wonder, but I don't care enough to look. I'm just glad that for now I feel safe in my conviction that John Roberts cares enough about his legacy that he won't let his court be one which takes away women's reproductive rights.)
 
Ahlevah said:
It's not hypocritical to expect people to take responsibility for their actions short of murdering their kids. There are plenty of potential parents out there willing to step up to the plate and assume the responsibility of raising otherwise unwanted children.
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There are more than 100,000 kids awaiting adoption here in the US.

Each time a new baby is added to that huge pool of adoptive kids, it means one of them will go without a home. These kids are waiting, aware, even suffering.

It's unconscionable to actively encourage women who cannot afford or care for a child to unnecessary add another child to this huge pool of kids waiting and hoping for a family. THese kids are actively harmed.

"Of the 400,000 children in foster care, more than 100,000 of them are waiting to be adopted."

About the children - AdoptUSKids

https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/statistics/adoption/

Adoption Statistics | Adoption Network
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Adoption is not a solution to preventing abortion. Education and better access to affordable birth control, and improving socio-economic conditions are.
 
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Ehem. Giving children a chance to live and perhaps be adopted is better then killing them.

Also, newborns are usually snatched up very quickly, so I hear. It’s the teenagers that have it hard.
 
jghiretire said:
Great - I can't wait until you have to have a child........oh wait. Really not your problem. Is it.
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I raised two boys. One was a step-parent adoption. I took responsibility for a kid who was my biological child, and one who wasn't. They're both my kids. I did my part. Too bad too many people champion having mothers and fathers abdicate their responsibility as parents.
 
jbander said:
Put your money where your mouth is,tell me why people who support abortions would get involved in this , It's all you. Do something about it or keep the bull**** to yourself/
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I am doing something about it. I vote. I support political candidates who believe, like me, that abortion is morally reprehensible. We trivialize human life when people who CHOOSE to irresponsibly engage in unprotected sex or have a fling then think they should have the right to not assume responsibility their own stupidity.
 
Amelia said:
Yeah. You'll understand that I don't accept you as a credible arbiter of morality.

But thanks anyway.
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So whom DO you accept? What authority convinced you that destroying human life is moral, especially when it's the result of, say, a fling or a one-night stand? :confused:
 
Ahlevah said:
It's much easier for an infant to be adopted than an older kid. Presumably, a mother who was going to abort a fetus would immediately place it up for adoption. So your solution of murdering kids so we don't have to worry about them entering foster care is not only disconnected from reality, it's also immoral.
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Not the case.

Only about 1 percent of United States women put their newborn up for adoption.

Banning abortions would not change those stats.

Also quite a few of those newborns are special needs babies whose moms did not give up drug or alcoholic addictions while pregnant.
 
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