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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    That is your opinion. It is mistaken in the least.
    Why do you think it's mistaken?


    Only to or for those who lack reasoning skills.
    Why do you not think it cuts both ways?

    Yea, but that too would be just another baseless opinion.
    How is it an opinion?

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    Re: It does not follow

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    Originally Posted by Chezanie
    So dependence on the mother gives the mother the right to have them killed?

    Some people depend on machines for their survival because their body cannot operate properly on its own. Does that give the doctors the right to unplug the person and let them die?

    Infants depend on their parents for survival. Does that give parents the right to have their children killed?



    Because under Roe v. Wade, Some people and Infants are persons from a legal POV. They have already been born, & thus Roe does not apply to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    But she never mentioned Roe & Wade. Why did you bring it up?
    Because the first bolded line above to me is invoking a (misshapen) grasp of Roe. Thus I stepped in to shed some light on the subject.

    & BTW, it's Roe v. Wade. Or versus, if you're a real stickler for detail.

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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    The same can be said about pro-choicers.
    Pro choice people allow the pregnant woman to decide for herself whether she wishes to continue her pregnancy or if wants to choose an abortion.

    My life was threatened by my first pregnancy but I chose to continue my pregnancy.

    Most women do choose to continue their pregnancy.

    I would not support a country or a law that did not allow for elective legal abortions ( the earlier the better but before viability).

    On the other side of the coin I would not support a country or law that forced a woman to have an abortion even if the fetus were so malformed that if it survived birth it would cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    Each pregnant woman has the right to choose for themselves.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    Why do you think it's mistaken?
    It is not based and honesty and truth.

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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    If you convinced her not to abort, and she died from the pregnancy or from childbirth, how would you feel?
    I wouldn’t tell her not to have an abortion if her life was threatened. Do you really think I am that unreasonable?

    Anyway, this thread has obviously gotten nowhere, and I have saved no one’s life, so I think I will go talk to women who consider abortions instead.

    I also don’t have the time to respond to everyone’s silly assumptions about me. :} Believe what you will.

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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chezanie View Post
    I wouldn’t tell her not to have an abortion if her life was threatened. Do you really think I am that unreasonable?

    Anyway, this thread has obviously gotten nowhere, and I have saved no one’s life, so I think I will go talk to women who consider abortions instead.

    I also don’t have the time to respond to everyone’s silly assumptions about me. :} Believe what you will.
    Chezanie don't leave. I enjoyed your posts.

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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chezanie View Post
    I wouldn’t tell her not to have an abortion if her life was threatened. Do you really think I am that unreasonable?
    No, I gave you credit for otherwise. Yet you still avoided answering my question:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chezanie View Post
    Also, quit assuming what I will and what I won’t to say to a woman who is considering abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If a woman's life is not in danger from the pregnancy or a victim of rape...would you ever consider counseling her to have an abortion? Yes or no?
    Why?

    Anyway, this thread has obviously gotten nowhere, and I have saved no one’s life, so I think I will go talk to women who consider abortions instead.

    I also don’t have the time to respond to everyone’s silly assumptions about me. :} Believe what you will.
    it may have progressed for you if you had taken the time to respond more directly and on-topic to the questions posed to you. When you avoid direct answers, and then abandon a discussion, it only appears that you arent capable of supporting your position. WHich, if is the case, would be a mature thing to admit. It shouldnt be an embarrassment to admit you learned something new...even if you dont agree.
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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    How are human rights "empty, meaningful buzzwords"? You dont think you have the right to life (among many others)? And how do human rights "justify the subjugation of women"?


    Only some pregnancies cause harm to the mother's body. Most women remain healthy after pregnancy.

    How does the unborn assault the woman? Keep in mind it's not even a person yet.


    There are anti child abandonment laws that compel parents to raise their child. Are these also "in direct violation" of said parents' human rights?
    Data on Pregnancy Complications | Pregnancy | Maternal and Infant Health | CDC

    Postpartum hemorrhage and hypertensive disorders have increased. Every pregnancy is a risk and you don't get to make those kind of life-changing decisions for others.

    Severe Maternal Morbidity in the United States | Pregnancy | Reproductive Health |CDC

    Severe maternal morbidity (SMM) includes unexpected outcomes of labor and delivery that result in significant short- or long-term consequences to a woman’s health.1 Using the most recent list of indicators, SMM has been steadily increasing in recent years and affected more than 50,000 women in the United States in 2014. This web report updates our previous report by adding information about SMM for 2014, the most recent year for which data are available on a national level.

    It is not entirely clear why SMM is increasing, but changes in the overall health of the population of women giving birth may be contributing to increases in complications. For example, increases in maternal age,2 pre-pregnancy obesity,3,4 preexisting chronic medical conditions,5,6 and cesarean delivery2,7 have been documented. The consequences of the increasing SMM prevalence, in addition to the health effects for the woman, are wide-ranging and include increased medical costs and longer hospitalization stays.8 Tracking and understanding patterns of SMM, along with developing and carrying out interventions to improve the quality of maternal care are essential to reducing SMM.
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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chezanie View Post
    I wouldn’t tell her not to have an abortion if her life was threatened. Do you really think I am that unreasonable?

    Anyway, this thread has obviously gotten nowhere, and I have saved no one’s life, so I think I will go talk to women who consider abortions instead.

    I also don’t have the time to respond to everyone’s silly assumptions about me. :} Believe what you will.
    Try saving actual lives, make sex education more of a priority and PREVENT the need for abortions all together.
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    Re: Abortion - Holocaust against Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chezanie View Post
    According to the definition of body autonomy, abortion does not fall under the term, as abortion is the forcible removal of a separate body living inside the mother.
    falls under it because that separate body is inside the mother

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