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Anyone else seen "Unplanned"?

Thanks for the laugh. A TV show. hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Fandom! hahahahaha!

Shabby Abby is a big fat liar. She never assisted in any procedure.

I think Abby Johnson told multiple lies in the telling of her origin story.

She continues to lie to this day.
She went through the most recent abortion news. "We’ve got states that are now legalizing abortion through the moment of birth. We have a governor, Governor [Ralph] Northam, saying that it’s acceptable to kill babies after they’ve been born alive following a failed abortion. We have all of these congresspeople voting against protecting innocent children who happen to be born alive after an abortion."

"Guys, this is a tipping point in our movement," Johnson declared.

Former Planned Parenthood Director Abby Johnson Says God Timed Her Abortion Movie ‘Unplanned’ Perfectly, Given Recent Events

She is responsible for spreading lies to her loyal followers.

Northam EMPHATICALLY never said it was ok to kill babies after they are born. Emphatically he did not. SHe...and other leaders in the pro-life community are responsible for trying to make their followers believe in lies.

I will at least give her credit for potentially believing in her own cause....but frankly, knowing her real origin story.....a disgruntled employee that was very angry with Planned Parenthood for not seeing her as the prized loyal employee she felt herself to be.....switched to the other side. Her facebook from that time period are a tell all.

Her "seeing the ultrasound" OMG moment....occured after her angry facebook posts where she was slamming the employer who was disciplining her

But currently I am more pissed at her spreading lies to her followers.
 
The Anti-Abortion Movie ‘Unplanned’ Is Loaded With Dangerous Lies

So HuffPost talked to an OB-GYN to debunk them.

To sort fact from fiction, HuffPost spoke to Jen Villavicencio, an OB-GYN and abortion provider in Michigan. Villavicencio is the inverse of Abby Johnson. As a teen in Florida, she was an anti-choice activist who prayed for the end of abortion. She had her own awakening at medical school, and now she provides abortions to women in clinics surrounded by protesters every day. “I went from one extreme to another, just like Abby,” she said.

Villavicencio walked us through some of the more glaring inaccuracies in “Unplanned”:
A fetus unrealistically appears to struggle for its life against an abortion

In one of the first scenes in “Unplanned,” Abby is asked to help with an abortion for a woman who is 13 weeks pregnant. As Abby watches the procedure on a screen, it seems to her that the fetus squirms away from the doctor’s medical instrument. It appears to be fighting for its life. “Beam me up, Scotty!” the doctor jokes as the patient sobs. Then, in an instant, the fetus is gone. The uterus is empty.

There have been questions raised about whether this abortion even took place. But in any case, Villavicencio, who performs similar abortions, said the scene is wildly unrealistic. At that gestational age, fetuses do not have purposeful movements, she said.

“The idea that a fetus would recoil or show fear or try to run away from a cannula [medical tube] is really a frank falsehood,” she said. “All the evidence says that is not possible.”

According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, a fetus does not have the physiological capacity to perceive pain until at least 24 weeks of gestation. But Villavicencio acknowledged that some people may have a strong reaction to witnessing an abortion.

“Any time I teach medical students, I tell them it is OK however they feel,” she said. “There’s a lot of things in medicine that make people uncomfortable, but that doesn’t mean they are inherently bad or wrong. It is possible to feel both things.”
Planned Parenthood is falsely depicted as a for-profit abortion business

At the beginning of the movie, Abby is an open-minded college student who starts volunteering at Planned Parenthood because she wants to help women make informed decisions about their reproductive health. But soon she realizes that a central part of her job involves making money for Planned Parenthood.

Abby boasts about how good she got at “selling abortions,” comparing her job to that of a salesman hawking timeshares. Women are frequently shown handing over money. In one scene, Abby’s boss, Cheryl (Robia Scott), the clear villain of the movie, tells Abby she needs to double the abortions her clinic provides so they can make more money. “‘Nonprofit’ is a tax status, not a business model!” she tells Abby, comparing Planned Parenthood to a fast-food chain. Hamburgers don’t bring in the big bucks, she explains in one scene. It’s the soda and fries ― or in this case, the abortion.

Planned Parenthood disputed this characterization in a statement to HuffPost, noting that it is a nonprofit that provides sexual and reproductive health care to millions of people across the country each year, many in underserved communities. The organization offers a wide breadth of services, including cancer screening, contraception and STD testing and treatment. Abortion makes up only 3.4 percent of its services, according to its most recent annual report.

End Part 1

The Anti-Abortion Movie ‘Unplanned’ Is Loaded With Dangerous Lies | HuffPost
 
Part 2

“This idea that we would drum up business is silly,” Villavicencio said. “That’s not a thing. Abortion has existed since we knew what pregnancy was, and it will not go away.”

Abortions are sensationalized like a horror movie

While everyone’s abortion is different, “Unplanned” presents the experience as an excruciatingly painful one. Women are seen crying out while insensitive doctors and nurses bark at them and hold them down. Blood ― pooling in socks, dripping on floors ― is a central motif.

The movie gives an inaccurate and fearmongering depiction of the procedure, Villavicencio said.

“Most people tolerate abortions throughout the first and second trimester very well,” she said, adding that clinics use medications ranging from local anesthesia to deep sedation to manage pain.

She noted that abortions, for the most part, are exceptionally short procedures.

“They last anywhere from three to 10 minutes,” she said. “I tell my patients: ‘This may be intense for you, but it will last a short while and I will talk you through it and you will make it.’”
Abortion is inaccurately depicted as extremely dangerous

In “Unplanned,” a doctor accidentally perforates a teen girl’s uterus while performing an abortion. As the girl goes into shock, the clinic workers decide not to call an ambulance because they’re afraid of bad publicity. Instead, they lie to her father and give her drugs so she won’t remember what happened.

In reality, serious complications during abortion are rare, and occur less frequently than during childbirth. In 2013, a total of 664,435 abortions were reported to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Only four women died as a result of complications that year.

“Abortion is one of the safest outpatient procedures that you can have in the U.S.,” Villavicencio said. “You are less likely to have a complication than a colonoscopy or a wisdom tooth extraction.”

She said it was comically offensive to suggest that an abortion clinic would jeopardize a patient’s safety by refusing to call an ambulance during a medical emergency.
Abortion clinicians are portrayed as villains and monsters

The abortion providers and staff in “Unplanned” are depicted as uncaring and inhumane. They crack jokes about dead babies, ignore patients who are visibly in pain and seem to lack even the most basic social manners.

When Abby learns, while standing in the bathroom at work, that she is pregnant, her boss does not congratulate or hug her. Instead, she offers her an abortion. “You know, we could take care of that for you if you like,” she spits.

Villavicencio said she has had the opposite experience working at abortion clinics.

“OB-GYNs and family medicine doctors who do abortions are some of the most compassionate, empathetic people I’ve ever met,” she said. “They put themselves through discomfort ― walking through protesters, getting threats, having sometimes the disdain of their own medical community ― in order to provide this care.”
Prayer has magical properties, can stop abortions

In the movie, Abby claims that up to 75 percent of women will not show up at an abortion clinic if they see people praying outside. It comes across as a call to arms to the audience: Go to your local abortion provider and pray.

Villavicencio raised doubts about the veracity of the statistic. Protesters pray outside her clinics every day, she said, and their no-show rate is not significantly affected.

“Might they convince people to change their minds? Sure,” she said. “Is that coercive and manipulative? In my opinion, yes.”

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The Anti-Abortion Movie ‘Unplanned’ Is Loaded With Dangerous Lies | HuffPost
 
Part 2

“This idea that we would drum up business is silly,” Villavicencio said. “That’s not a thing. Abortion has existed since we knew what pregnancy was, and it will not go away.”

Abortions are sensationalized like a horror movie

While everyone’s abortion is different, “Unplanned” presents the experience as an excruciatingly painful one. Women are seen crying out while insensitive doctors and nurses bark at them and hold them down. Blood ― pooling in socks, dripping on floors ― is a central motif.

The movie gives an inaccurate and fearmongering depiction of the procedure, Villavicencio said.

“Most people tolerate abortions throughout the first and second trimester very well,” she said, adding that clinics use medications ranging from local anesthesia to deep sedation to manage pain.

She noted that abortions, for the most part, are exceptionally short procedures.

“They last anywhere from three to 10 minutes,” she said. “I tell my patients: ‘This may be intense for you, but it will last a short while and I will talk you through it and you will make it.’”
Abortion is inaccurately depicted as extremely dangerous

In “Unplanned,” a doctor accidentally perforates a teen girl’s uterus while performing an abortion. As the girl goes into shock, the clinic workers decide not to call an ambulance because they’re afraid of bad publicity. Instead, they lie to her father and give her drugs so she won’t remember what happened.

In reality, serious complications during abortion are rare, and occur less frequently than during childbirth. In 2013, a total of 664,435 abortions were reported to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Only four women died as a result of complications that year.

“Abortion is one of the safest outpatient procedures that you can have in the U.S.,” Villavicencio said. “You are less likely to have a complication than a colonoscopy or a wisdom tooth extraction.”

She said it was comically offensive to suggest that an abortion clinic would jeopardize a patient’s safety by refusing to call an ambulance during a medical emergency.
Abortion clinicians are portrayed as villains and monsters

The abortion providers and staff in “Unplanned” are depicted as uncaring and inhumane. They crack jokes about dead babies, ignore patients who are visibly in pain and seem to lack even the most basic social manners.

When Abby learns, while standing in the bathroom at work, that she is pregnant, her boss does not congratulate or hug her. Instead, she offers her an abortion. “You know, we could take care of that for you if you like,” she spits.

Villavicencio said she has had the opposite experience working at abortion clinics.

“OB-GYNs and family medicine doctors who do abortions are some of the most compassionate, empathetic people I’ve ever met,” she said. “They put themselves through discomfort ― walking through protesters, getting threats, having sometimes the disdain of their own medical community ― in order to provide this care.”
Prayer has magical properties, can stop abortions

In the movie, Abby claims that up to 75 percent of women will not show up at an abortion clinic if they see people praying outside. It comes across as a call to arms to the audience: Go to your local abortion provider and pray.

Villavicencio raised doubts about the veracity of the statistic. Protesters pray outside her clinics every day, she said, and their no-show rate is not significantly affected.

“Might they convince people to change their minds? Sure,” she said. “Is that coercive and manipulative? In my opinion, yes.”

End part 2

The Anti-Abortion Movie ‘Unplanned’ Is Loaded With Dangerous Lies | HuffPost

Thank you for bringing this up.

I will see it when it hits netflix, but I am not going to let them profit from me in the theater by spreading lies.

The breakdown of the movie seems to follow Abby Johnson's issue with the truth and amplifies it.

I am as an individual against abortion. But lying to people about such a serious issue is just wrong on so many levels. People should make individual decisions based on the truth.
 
My wife and I went last night. I found it to be a powerful movie driven by the right to life argument, but was sympathetic to pro life persons. For example in one scene the lead "Abby" was put off by a woman's "git 'er done" attitude, but the movie did not criticize or focus on her. True, teens and young women who had unplanned pregnancies were run though like cattle, yet they were treated sympathetically at the same time. IMO, the movie focused on the lack of informed consent. The central message was the salesmanship used by PP to prevent any of these women from changing their minds. Much like a time share presentation.

Although my wife I are both against abortion, we look at it differently. My take a way is that as gruesome and disgusting as abortion is, the alteration of one's trajectory in life may be a valid consideration. And if you are a participant in a Christian culture, forgiveness is central. And if you aren't you can still forgive yourself. The biggest variable is how you feel about what you have done. Some just move on, some are traumatized, and the rest are somewhere in the middle. Time does heal all wounds.

I would encourage men and women, particularly the younger crowd to see the movie more as a precaution to not get someone pregnant. You can't unsee the ultrasound of the abortion. Men often take advantage of humanity's sex drive and practice unsafe sex with no clue as to the burden a woman may have to face by trusting him. It's her responsibility to look out for herself and make her own decisions on the use of effective birth control.

There was also a segment of the abortifacient, RU-486. Assuming the scene was relatively accurate, I had no idea how rough that was. Not quite easy peasy like we have been led to believe.

Cheers.

I saw it. It was wonderful.
 
Uninterested, I refuse to watch religious indoctrination videos of any sort, and this is absolutely that.
 
Uninterested, I refuse to watch religious indoctrination videos of any sort, and this is absolutely that.

I would think Jesus would want someone to fight in his name without lying.
 
I would think Jesus would want someone to fight in his name without lying.


I think jesus was a raving lunatic. Then again that's what we call modern day prophets. I guess he gets a pass since it was 2000 years ago.
 
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