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Four Fallacies of Abortion

Lursa said:
Hey, it's your soul.

And it's not as safe as you thought.
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My soul is safe as long as I don't decide to abort a life.(continuing playing the violin)
 
Angel said:
The Four Fallacies of Abortion Discourse

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1. That abortion does not end a human life

2. That abortion is not immoral

3. That abortion law is not just legal fictions

4. That abortion culture is not evil




A Note

The Avenging Angel represented here is

Pro-Life and Pro-Choice and Anti-Abortion

That is to say:

1. he recognizes every human being's natural right to life;
2. he recognizes every moral agent's freedom to make moral choices;
3. he deplores the widespread promotion of abortion to underwrite an irresponsible sexual culture.

Also...

The four fallacies listed above are all presented as negations;
therefore, if you wish to understand the truths contradicted by these fallacies,
then in each case simply remove the negation and read the positive assertion that remains.

Think.

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I think you do a good job of demonstrating why it's so important for smart Americans to oppose you every step of the way. We're not up against rational people here, we're up against whackadoodles.

Abortions happen to WOMEN, not fetuses. Don't get it twisted.
 
PTF said:
My soul is safe as long as I don't decide to abort a life.(continuing playing the violin)
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If you think that's the only reason your soul is in jeopardy, you are in for quite a surprise someday :mrgreen:
 
PTF said:
My soul is safe as long as I don't decide to abort a life.(continuing playing the violin)
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Why is aborting a life worse than cutting off a baby's food supply, medical coverage or what ever it is they die of while the "good Christians" leave them without the option of asylum at their border wall?
 
D_NATURED said:
I think you do a good job of demonstrating why it's so important for smart Americans to oppose you every step of the way. We're not up against rational people here, we're up against whackadoodles.

Abortions happen to WOMEN, not fetuses. Don't get it twisted.
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Speaking of "whackadoodles," how are you at Whack-a-Mole? In other words, your post is incoherent. Look to it.
 
calamity said:
Four fallacies of abortion

1. infanticide is cancelling a sick baby’s health insurance

2. Murder is cutting off food stamps for poor children

3. Mass carnage is letting corporations pollute again

4. Willful destruction of life is voting for a moron who believes the sound from windmills causes cancer.
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:lol:
 
Angel said:
You were butting into my exchange with soylentgreen as to whether his counterexample was or was not addressed by me.
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Speaking of which, i am still waiting for you to demonstrate you actually addressed it. I expect your delay is just another deflection attempt. You hope i will go away if you do not respond. Which of course would be fitting with the dishonest manor in which you hold these debates.
 
IMO, abortion is infinitely higher in moral judgement than what the Religious Right sells.

Abortion better than molesting children

Abortion better than locking up children

Abortion better than starving children

Abortion better than failing to properly educate children

Abortion better than brainwashing children into believing some sky daddy will reward them when they die
 
Angel said:
Speaking of "whackadoodles," how are you at Whack-a-Mole? In other words, your post is incoherent. Look to it.
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It's only incoherent to morons.
 
soylentgreen said:
Speaking of which, i am still waiting for you to demonstrate you actually addressed it. I expect your delay is just another deflection attempt. You hope i will go away if you do not respond. Which of course would be fitting with the dishonest manor in which you hold these debates.
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Your response to my offer to go back and find it was the cute: whatever you find will be a deflection. So take a hike. Find it yourself.
 
Angel said:
Your response to my offer to go back and find it was the cute: whatever you find will be a deflection. So take a hike. Find it yourself.
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In other words you found nothing to back you.

Instead everyone can have a good laugh when you demonstrate your hypocrisy of claiming no one can answer your statements.

So, once again, with ivf your position of life begins at conception, that it is a human life and that there is such a thing as a right to life as you portray it becomes ridiculous like all your arguments.
 
Angel said:
#448
https://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/350312-abortion-101-a-49.html#post1069864689

#471
https://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/350312-abortion-101-a-48.html#post1069862414

#125
https://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/350824-abortion-201-a-13.html#post1069840150
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She never said that it is "not living"... she gave clear qualifications to everything that she said and it was crystal clear what she meant. Read it again and be sure to use your best reading comprehension because I will be grading you.
 
soylentgreen said:
In other words you found nothing to back you.

Instead everyone can have a good laugh when you demonstrate your hypocrisy of claiming no one can answer your statements.

So, once again, with ivf your position of life begins at conception, that it is a human life and that there is such a thing as a right to life as you portray it becomes ridiculous like all your arguments.
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No, in the words posted: since your post was smartass, you can talk to yourself. At any rate, the point of finding our exchange -- which you are apparently oblivious to -- was to show your bad faith, nothing more. And you're showing that now with your current bull**** posts. My response to your in vitro post I recall -- your in vitro post does not reach my moral argument, and the discarding of embryos is immoral by that same argument.
 
Bodhisattva said:
She never said that it is "not living"... she gave clear qualifications to everything that she said and it was crystal clear what she meant. Read it again and be sure to use your best reading comprehension because I will be grading you.
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Yes, she never denied that it was living, but she was reluctant to acknowledge that it was human -- a human life being the point in contention. When under the pressure of her friends' support she acknowledge that it was a human life, I asked her to acknowledge then that abortion is the ending of a human life, and guess what? She vanished!
 
soylentgreen said:
In other words you found nothing to back you.

Instead everyone can have a good laugh when you demonstrate your hypocrisy of claiming no one can answer your statements.

So, once again, with ivf your position of life begins at conception, that it is a human life and that there is such a thing as a right to life as you portray it becomes ridiculous like all your arguments.
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I agree.

( I bolded your quote where you said with ivf your position of life begins at conception, that it is human life)....

Angel just wants claim that the aborted are human life. He cares not about the miscarried ones ( 15 to 20 percent of pregnancy ) nor about all the zygotes ( fertilized eggs ) that were never even implanted in a woman’s womb ( about two thirds of all fertilized human eggs ) .

He seems not to even to care about nor mention all the surplus frozen embryos in all the fertility clinics that will never even get the chance of becoming a baby because they will never ever even be inside a woman's womb.

How can one claim to care care about human life and call abortion immoral yet not seem to care that for each IVF treatment , about 20 pre embryos ( human life ) are destroyed ?
 
Angel said:
Yes, she never denied that it was living, but she was reluctant to acknowledge that it was human -- a human life being the point in contention. When under the pressure of her friends' support she acknowledge that it was a human life, I asked her to acknowledge then that abortion is the ending of a human life, and guess what? She vanished!
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She never ever denied it was human and she clearly wrote it was human. So stop lying. Every single person has called you out on your dishonesty here. You are just grasping at some win, however small, in your failed OP.

It's remarkable that in a thread about human pregnancy, that you would assume ANYONE would not know what was in the woman's womb had human DNA and alive. :2wave:
 
Angel said:
No, in the words posted: since your post was smartass, you can talk to yourself. At any rate, the point of finding our exchange -- which you are apparently oblivious to -- was to show your bad faith, nothing more. And you're showing that now with your current bull**** posts. My response to your in vitro post I recall -- your in vitro post does not reach my moral argument, and the discarding of embryos is immoral by that same argument.
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While you may view abortion to be immoral it is not illegal. Our society, government, and Supreme Court have come to recognize the right of a woman to make the decision of bringing a life into existence, after which point it becomes availed the protections of our laws. Morality is a human construct; nature is neither moral or immoral. IMO, a greater immorality would be to produce a child you are unwilling or unable to provide the necessary care required until he/she becomes emancipated.
 
Angel said:
That abortion does not end a human life.

That abortion is not immoral.

That abortion law is not just legal fictions.

That abortion culture is not evil.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion. I disagree. Have a nice day :)
 
Angel said:
Yes, she never denied that it was living, but she was reluctant to acknowledge that it was human -- a human life being the point in contention. When under the pressure of her friends' support she acknowledge that it was a human life, I asked her to acknowledge then that abortion is the ending of a human life, and guess what? She vanished!
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Show me where she has said a human fetus is not human. Show me where she says a human fetus is not alive.
 
Angel said:
Speaking of "whackadoodles," how are you at Whack-a-Mole? In other words, your post is incoherent. Look to it.
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It made sense to me. Good night :)
 
year2late said:
Show me where she has said a human fetus is not human. Show me where she says a human fetus is not alive.
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Exactly. As I explained the fetus of two humans is human and it is alive until or unless it dies.

Sometimes a surgical abortion kills a fetus. Sometimes a natural death will kill the fetus within womb even though the pregnancy was very much wanted by the woman.

Sometimes doctors need to perform a surgical abortion to remove the dead fetus from the woman’s body.

Angel then accuses me of tap dancing around.

If a doctor performs an early delivery or c -section of a non viable or dead fetus it is still called an abortion and it is counted as an abortion and is included in the abortion stats.


From the following article:


Why not just c-section

First of all, a c-section for an early delivery of a non-viable fetus is still an abortion. #TheMoreYouKnow.

That people don’t grasp this is shocking.
And why these discussions are best left to experts who don’t impose their own religion on patients.
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And in her conclusion:

Sometimes a c-section is even an abortion. If you say otherwise you are ignorant, meaning unaware or unable to understand the medicine (if you are a doctor that makes you ill-trained),or a liar.
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Abortions at or after 24 weeks are sometimes needed medically. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. | Dr. Jen Gunter
 
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Lursa said:
She never ever denied it was human and she clearly wrote it was human. So stop lying. Every single person has called you out on your dishonesty here. You are just grasping at some win, however small, in your failed OP.

It's remarkable that in a thread about human pregnancy, that you would assume ANYONE would not know what was in the woman's womb had human DNA and alive. :2wave:
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The limits of your understanding are not an argument. She denies that the unborn child is a human being, whereas a human life is just that, the life of a human being.
 
Individual said:
While you may view abortion to be immoral it is not illegal. Our society, government, and Supreme Court have come to recognize the right of a woman to make the decision of bringing a life into existence, after which point it becomes availed the protections of our laws. Morality is a human construct; nature is neither moral or immoral. IMO, a greater immorality would be to produce a child you are unwilling or unable to provide the necessary care required until he/she becomes emancipated.
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Law is "a human construct" as well. So what?
nature is neither moral or immoral.
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This is interesting. I disagree, and I have an argument I can produce. Do you have an argument to support this claim of yours?
 
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