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[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

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<alt>doxygen said:
What the SCOTUS decided was that people should have the option. Option was something some states banned or restricted.
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People should have the option to murder? I think not.

Also, do you agree that there were no open debates?
 
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Angel said:
Believing or assuming something not true is true.
What is LEGAL FICTION? definition of LEGAL FICTION (Black's Law Dictionary)

Legal fiction, a rule assuming as true something that is clearly false.
Legal fiction | Britannica.com

A ruling or status in law based on hypothetical or inexistent facts.
Legal Fiction Definition

Legal fiction
Legal fiction - Wikipedia
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All abortion law qualifies under that definition as legal fiction?
 
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Wan said:
People should have the option to murder? I think not.

Also, do you agree that there were no open debates?
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Ah, rather dishonest of you, since I still retain the posts to you where we discussed how we follow a Constitution here in America and people' rights are not subject to 'the tyranny of the majority.' We dont have a consensus vote on people's rights. :roll:

Do you remember those exchanges? I'm happy to repost them. I know I used Jim Crow laws as an example, that if we had allowed open debates and the South (esp) to vote, that blacks would have had to wait much much longer for their civil rights.

So are you clear on that now (again)?
 
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Wan said:
To find that out, we need to have open debates. But we did not have those, the supreme court sort of just decided for us.
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Yes...we have a Constitution that protects us all from having our rights removed by 'voting.'

"Tyranny of the majority" is explicitly mentioned as to be avoided in a democratic system such as ours. (And no, I didnt write or mean democracy)
 
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Wan said:
People should have the option to murder?
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Why do you ask such moronic questions? Just because in your limited and uneducated world you ignorantly equate an abortion with murder, it does not become some universal truth.
 
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prometeus said:
Why do you ask such moronic questions? Just because in your limited and uneducated world you ignorantly equate an abortion with murder, it does not become some universal truth.
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I have good reasons to believe abortion is murder. Do you have any reasons for why it's not? Other than pointing to Roe & Wade, please. It's been done to death.
 
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Bucky said:
I totally support palliative care, however many doctors advocate late-term abortions over palliative care. Many doctors do not even provide palliative care as an option.
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Except doctors should not have to resort to palliative care, with the agreement of the parents a doctor should be able to apply euthanasia on infants who suffer horrendous pain with no change of survival other than a few days/weeks. That would end the need for late abortions in a lot of cases.
 
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Wan said:
I have good reasons to believe abortion is murder. Do you have any reasons for why it's not? Other than pointing to Roe & Wade, please. It's been done to death.
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Please present those 'good reasons' to believe abortion is murder. Gonna be tough considering 'murder' is a legal term with one definition only... a definition that clearly states abortion is 'not' murder..
 
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Wan said:
I have good reasons to believe abortion is murder.
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I do not give a crap what you believe nor does your belief amount to fact or reality.
 
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prometeus said:
I do not give a crap what you believe nor does your belief amount to fact or reality.
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There is no need for hostility of this kind.

It's like I said, what reasons do you have for believing that abortion is not murder? Other than Roe & Wade.
 
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Wan said:
People should have the option to murder? I think not.

Also, do you agree that there were no open debates?
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Abortion is not murder. Was there no "murder" before Roe?

The idea that a zygote is a person like any of us here is crazy. Somewhere during the fetal stage you start to have an argument, but zygote and embryo? Nope.

We have a representative government with a judiciary. I'm not exactly sure what you would like. What does this "open debate" look like in practice? Has it ever happened, for any policy? I'm not in favor of the SCOTUS making defacto law, but that started around 1800.
 
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Wan said:
There is no need for hostility of this kind.
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Aren't you the one who called me "nigga"?
 
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Wan said:
"Nigga" is not derogatory.
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I did not perceive it as funny or pleasant.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
We have a representative government with a judiciary. I'm not exactly sure what you would like. What does this "open debate" look like in practice? Has it ever happened, for any policy? I'm not in favor of the SCOTUS making defacto law, but that started around 1800.
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Agreed with the bold. This is one of my complaints.
 
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year2late said:
I did not perceive it as funny or pleasant.
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It was not meant to be funny. And I don't care that you did not find it pleasant.
 
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Wan said:
"Nigga" is not derogatory.
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According to the dictionary it is if non-blacks direct the term 'nigga' at another human being. So you FAIL on that one, unless you are black.
 
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Wan said:
It was not meant to be funny. And I don't care that you did not find it pleasant.
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Nigga is associated with a term that is the cornerstone of racism in this country and I find it highly offensive. Some people may use it differently, but I do not know you well enough for me to think you used it in an way but in a very bad way.
 
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year2late said:
Nigga is associated with a term that is the cornerstone of racism in this country and I find it highly offensive. Some people may use it differently, but I do not know you well enough for me to think you used it in an way but in a very bad way.
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Sorry to hear you found it offensive, but I won't start censoring myself just for your benefit. In other words, get used to the way I talk, or if you really can't handle me, put me on ignore.
 
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Logician Man said:
According to the dictionary it is if non-blacks direct the term 'nigga' at another human being. So you FAIL on that one, unless you are black.
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It is possible for a non-black person to use this word in a non-derogatory manner.
 
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Wan said:
It is possible for a non-black person to use this word in a non-derogatory manner.
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Give us an example to support this crapola.
 
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Wan said:
The fact I used "nigga"....and it was non-derogatory.
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It was perceived as derogatory. Perhaps you should check yourself.
 
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year2late said:
It was perceived as derogatory. Perhaps you should check yourself.
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I have no control over how she perceives it. But I do know that when I used this word, it was used in a non-derogatory manner.
 
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Wan said:
I have no control over how she perceives it. But I do know that when I used this word, it was used in a non-derogatory manner.
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You do have control over looking up what derogatory means in a dictionary.
 
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