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[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

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Wan Wins Withal.

Her opponents argue in the manner and moral register of the 1850s proponent of slavery relying on the law and legal fictions of the time.

Brava, Wan!
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Wan Wins Withal.

Her opponents argue in the manner and moral register of the 1850s proponent of slavery relying on the law and legal fictions of the time.

Brava, Wan!

Thank you Angel! Now here's someone astute enough to recognize excellence! And you sir have destroyed many a baby-murderer's arguments too. Well done.
 
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Yes I did say that a zygote is a live human, however it's different from saying "live human zygote". I am sorry to hear that you were unable to distinguish the two.

Furthermore, I NEVER said "live human sperm" nor "live human skin cells". You are literally putting words in my mouth.

:) Perhaps English isn't your preferred language. :2wave:
 
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:) Perhaps English isn't your preferred language. :2wave:

I find it ironic that this came from you.

Also, as a matter of fact, English is NOT my first language. :)
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Wan Wins Withal.

Her opponents argue in the manner and moral register of the 1850s proponent of slavery relying on the law and legal fictions of the time.

Brava, Wan!

Fictions are fictions. The fact that you try to dress yours up in philosophical prose doesn't make them factual.
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

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Abortion doctors in Maryland and New Mexico openly advertise late second- and even third-trimester abortions online, and this ugly truth is mostly, inexplicably, ignored by the media.


AbortionClinics.org | Maryland Late term abortion, third trimester abortion, abortion after 27 weeks

I already explained that there are 4 clinic doctors and 3 clinics in the United States that perform abortions past 24 weeks in cases of catastrophic fetal abnormalities or irreparable damage to one of the woman’s biological functions would occur if the pregnancy continued.

Maryland and New Mexico are where 2 of the 3 clinics are located.

You have not presented any clinic information I had not already acknowledged.
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

I find it ironic that this came from you.

Also, as a matter of fact, English is NOT my first language. :)

Well, touche...

So, since neither one of us makes much sense to the other, let's drop it.

I'll ask one of the others here to explain your point/argument to me (I assume it's obvious and logical to everyone but me).
 
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Fictions are fictions. The fact that you try to dress yours up in philosophical prose doesn't make them factual.
It doesn't make them fictions either.
I'm sorry you don't like how I write, but that's who I am, I'm afraid.
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

What babies are legally being killed after birth and how?

Does death count only if it's legal?

If that's the case, immortality is making some good progress.
 
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Or even: EMBRYO FROM MARS: WE ARE NOT ALONE!

It's really amazing, isn't it?

"Pro-Choice" fanatics twist themselves into pretzels trying to defend one idea so they can hang the idea they want from it.

If we are killing this thing, why, it COULDN'T be a baby! Why... That would be wrong! Babies are only humans when they're past 8 weeks, er, 12 weeks, um, 16... What? Oh, that's right! 24 weeks!

What's that you say, well, of course, you're right! If the baby has not actually been born all the way, then it's not really a person yet so go ahead and stop that breathing.

What? It's already been born? Let's take a look at this and try to decide, with the mother if this thing is a baby. Can anybody stop this thing from crying?
 
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Does death count only if it's legal?

If that's the case, immortality is making some good progress.

I will ask again.....what babies are legally being killed after birth and how.
 
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Please do not lie about me again.

Did someone else ask if the lady who is seeking an abortion on the day when her baby's head is crowning might not be having a bad day?
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

I already explained that there are 4 clinic doctors and 3 clinics in the United States that perform abortions past 24 weeks in cases of catastrophic fetal abnormalities or irreparable damage to one of the woman’s biological functions would occur if the pregnancy continued.

Maryland and New Mexico are where 2 of the 3 clinics are located.

You have not presented any clinic information I had not already acknowledged.

And what does that have to do with whether or not a human life is being ended when a human life is being ended?
 
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I will ask again.....what babies are legally being killed after birth and how.

I don't know how to frame any answer to that question. I don't know the names of any aborted babies. Do you?

What difference does it make to you whether or not the death of a baby is legal or illegal?

What difference does it make to anyone if their death is legal or illegal?

The outcome is pretty much the same for the deceased individual.
 
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Did someone else ask if the lady who is seeking an abortion on the day when her baby's head is crowning might not be having a bad day?

Present one case where someone tries to abort at that stage. Just one. Failure to do so will be proof it doesn't happen.
 
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Present one case where someone tries to abort at that stage. Just one. Failure to do so will be proof it doesn't happen.

Virginia Democrat Proposes Bill Allowing ‘Abortion’ as Woman Is ‘Dilating’
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The Daily Wire reported on Tran’s legislation and provided this exchange between Tran and Virginia Republican Delegate Todd Gilbert:

Gilbert: So how late in the third trimester would you be able to do that?

Tran: It’s very unfortunate that our physician witnesses were not able to attend today.

Gilbert: No, I’m talking about your bill. How late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated it would impair the mental health of the woman?

Tran: Or physical health.

Gilbert: Okay. I’m talking about the mental health.

Tran: Through the third trimester. The third trimester goes all the way up to 40 weeks.

Gilbert: Okay. But to the end of the third trimester?

Tran: Yep. I don’t think we have a limit in the bill.

Gilbert: Where it’s obvious a woman is about to give birth, that she has physical signs that she is about to give birth. Would that be a point at which she could still request an abortion if she was so certified? She’s dilating.

Tran: Mr. Chairman, that would be a decision that the doctor, the physician, and the woman would make at that point.

Gilbert: I understand that. I’m asking if your bill allows that.

Tran: My bill would allow that, yes.
<snip>
 
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It doesn't make them fictions either.
I'm sorry you don't like how I write, but that's who I am, I'm afraid.

Your writing isn't the issue.

If you don't like the term "fictions" we could go back to "opinion(s)", which is what we're talking about here.
 
re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

Wan Wins Withal.

Her opponents argue in the manner and moral register of the 1850s proponent of slavery relying on the law and legal fictions of the time.

Brava, Wan!

She hasnt 'won' anything...you'll note she cannot refute my posts at all.
 
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And what does that have to do with whether or not a human life is being ended when a human life is being ended?


The U.S. Supreme Court standard holds that states may prohibit abortion after fetal viability so long as there are exceptions for the life and health of the woman.

Sometimes unfortunately an abortion is needed to save the woman’s life/or save her from irreparable damage to a major bodily function.

There are 3 clinics and 4 doctors where OBs and GYNs May send their pregnant patients when the pregnancy endangers the woman’s life or Heath.

If the fetus is non viable ( dead or dying ) a life threatening infection can endanger the woman’s life. Also irreparable damage to a woman’s bodily function such as ( stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, kidney or liver damage ) if the pregnancy continued.
 
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Thank you Angel! Now here's someone astute enough to recognize excellence! And you sir have destroyed many a baby-murderer's arguments too. Well done.

OMG are babies actually being MURDERED!!!??!!?!? Where? When?
 
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OMG are babies actually being MURDERED!!!??!!?!? Where? When?

I am glad to see that so many people are interested in this very important topic of abortion.
 
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I am glad to see that so many people are interested in this very important topic of abortion.

So they're not being murdered after all? Nice. Thanks for admitting that.

All I know is that NO ONE better get in between me and my delicious post-workout fetal shakes.
 
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So they're not being murdered after all? Nice. Thanks for admitting that.

All I know is that NO ONE better get in between me and my delicious post-workout fetal shakes.

Haha, you eat aborted fetuses. Gross.
 
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Mmmmm... smooth and yet crunchy all at the same time. Dee. Damned. Lish.

That's good to hear. But lets not derail this thread with your love for biological waste.
 
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