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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I said the woman may not have known she was more than 20 weeks pregnant.
    I think she was probably aware she was pregnant just not how far along in the pregnancy she was.
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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So if you perceive abortion to be immoral...please do not get one.
    LOL! I won't.

    Do you realize that I support the legal availability of abortion for all?

    I also support the legal availability of all sorts of things not related to abortion.

    In ALL cases, proper labeling is a good thing so folks know what they are buying.
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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So what Northam described was palliative care.... so not killing.
    This is a perversion of that term.

    Palliative care seems to be intended to provide comfort for the very unpleasant sensations experienced during the prolonged treatment of illnesses like cancer. It's not like Hospice Care. It is longer term. Maybe years.

    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Abortions only happen before birth .....not after.

    You seem to forgetting we have a 2004 Federal law known as the Born Alive Act.

    Any premie/ infant that is born alive is a protected citizen and as such 2 actions can be offered the parent of a born alive infant ; either extraordinary medical measures or palliative care.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Me forgetting about or not knowing about any law, I didn't know about the law you cite, does not increase or decrease the need for the law, the adherence to that law or the number of times that law is broken.

    Did Northam reference that law in his comments? Why do you bring it up?
    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Northam would know about the law.

    And would know the Born Alive Act would overrule any State Law would be passed.

    He was describing the 2 lawful options when an infant is born alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Killing a living infant after birth is legal? That's interesting.

    Is there a sun set on when killing an already born person converts from abortion into murder? Is it minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Years? Does it EVER become illegal?
    I never said killing a born infant is legal and neither did Northham.

    I have said many times in this thread the two options were
    1. Extraordinary medical measures or.
    2. palliative care.

    From the 2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act:

    The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 ("BAIPA" Pub.L. 107–207, 116 Stat. 926, enacted August 5, 2002, 1 U.S.C. 8) is an Act of Congress. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed by President George W. Bush.

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    Interpretation of the Bill


    Defines a "Born alive infant" as "Person, human being, Child, Individual".

    Acknowledges human rights of any child born within the United States.
    "Born Alive" is defined as the complete expulsion of an infant at any stage of development that has a heartbeat, pulsation of the umbilical cord, breath, or voluntary muscle movement, no matter if the umbilical cord has been cut or if the expulsion of the infant was natural, induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
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    Born-Alive Infants Protection Act - Wikipedia
    Last edited by minnie616; 04-08-19 at 08:34 AM.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I never said killing a born infant is legal and neither did Northham.

    I have said many times in this thread the two options were
    1. Extraordinary medical measures or.
    2. palliative care.

    From the 2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act:

    The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 ("BAIPA" Pub.L. 107–207, 116 Stat. 926, enacted August 5, 2002, 1 U.S.C. 8) is an Act of Congress. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed by President George W. Bush.

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    You are free to rationalize whatever may be the most comforting interpretation of Northam's comments made in response to questions on the newly proposed Abortion Bill in Virginia.
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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You are free to rationalize whatever may be the most comforting interpretation of Northam's comments made in response to questions on the newly proposed Abortion Bill in Virginia.
    Well rest assured any state laws that have been passed or will be passed in the future will not allow the killing of a baby or infant since the Federal 2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Law is the law of the land and it over rules any state laws.

    You seem to want to belive otherwise but the law is there and it was designed to protect all infants who are born whether they were expulsion was natural, induced labor , c-section or due to induced abortion.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The fear and confusion of many is a tragedy.
    The willful ignorance and low information of others is the tragedy, see: refusal to address the realities of laws allowing palliative care for all newborns (and older minor children), leaving such decisions up to parents and their Drs.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You are free to rationalize whatever may be the most comforting interpretation of Northam's comments made in response to questions on the newly proposed Abortion Bill in Virginia.
    And still you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Northam's comments only reiterated current care/laws for newborns born with terminal conditions or conditions that would prolong suffering.

    You cant even rationalize it in debate, so you ignore it.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This is a perversion of that term.

    Palliative care seems to be intended to provide comfort for the very unpleasant sensations experienced during the prolonged treatment of illnesses like cancer. It's not like Hospice Care. It is longer term. Maybe years.

    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Clearly you are writing about something you know little about and just object to on principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This is a perversion of that term.

    Palliative care seems to be intended to provide comfort for the very unpleasant sensations experienced during the prolonged treatment of illnesses like cancer. It's not like Hospice Care. It is longer term. Maybe years.

    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    I hope you look further into this. It is not what you describe.

    Perinatal Palliative Care Program at UnityPoint Health - Meriter

    The Perinatal Palliative Care Program (PPCP) is a component of the Meriter Pregnancy and Infant Loss Program that helps families whose infants are diagnosed prenatally with a life-limiting condition such as Trisomy 13, Trisomy 18, anencephaly, or bilateral renal agenesis. Before it was discovered that a baby's life may be short there were plans for before, during and after his or her birth. Although those plans change, the goal of perinatal palliative care is to make the time with the baby meaningful in a way that is best for the family. Families are looking for compassionate, family-centered care. The PPCP helps families preserve hope while preparing for the possibility or certainty of the death of their baby. The PPCP offers families continuity of care with the knowledge that a variety of resources are available to them.



    Perinatal Palliative Care Programs are all over the country. Some women choose to abort when they get the diagnosis. For many of the others they choose to allow for comfort rather than allowing their infant with catastrophic life limiting health issues to have a short life filled with tubes, needles, surgeries, social isolation and such.

    Many families that choose perinatal palliative care have also been offered abortion as an option.

    What you describe is miles away from Perinatal Palliative Care.

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