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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    By you own definition I wasn't viable because I could not have existed outside the womb on my own. See Wikipedia's page on fetal viability, it reads "viability exists as a function of biomedical and technological capacities, which are different in different parts of the world".

    Your definition of viability, which did not exist back then, does not apply.
    Your story is amazing.

    At 24 weeks, what was your length and weight?

    I am a nurse, so I am curious how they helped your breathing back in the early 50's. How did they get you past the feeding issues back then?

    I find it way cool that before our bells and whistles of the 21st century that a tiny one in the early 1950's could have survived without it.

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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Your story is amazing.

    At 24 weeks, what was your length and weight?

    I am a nurse, so I am curious how they helped your breathing back in the early 50's. How did they get you past the feeding issues back then?

    I find it way cool that before our bells and whistles of the 21st century that a tiny one in the early 1950's could have survived without it.
    One of my church friends was a 'miracle' baby. She was (just) less than 1 lb when born in 1959. She had no medical issues as a kid or teen.

    And her parents named her Faith
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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Your story is amazing.

    At 24 weeks, what was your length and weight?

    I am a nurse, so I am curious how they helped your breathing back in the early 50's. How did they get you past the feeding issues back then?

    I find it way cool that before our bells and whistles of the 21st century that a tiny one in the early 1950's could have survived without it.
    My weight was right around 2 lbs. Don't remember the length, I'd have to look that up, and I will when I get home.

    I remember my mom saying something about an incubator which I guess can vary your oxygen supply and keep you warm. She had this information in a baby book, I'll look when I get home. I'll also look to see if I have a picture with a feeding tube inserted.

    Mom said the nurses used to say things like "I have to feed the peanut" and I thought there were pipettes involved.

    This was a long time ago, the details aren't clear any more. I was wondering exactly what my odds were because I want to know what kind of a feat they pulled off. Seems like a Herculean task.
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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    My weight was right around 2 lbs. Don't remember the length, I'd have to look that up, and I will when I get home.

    I remember my mom saying something about an incubator which I guess can vary your oxygen supply and keep you warm. She had this information in a baby book, I'll look when I get home. I'll also look to see if I have a picture with a feeding tube inserted.

    Mom said the nurses used to say things like "I have to feed the peanut" and I thought there were pipettes involved.

    This was a long time ago, the details aren't clear any more. I was wondering exactly what my odds were because I want to know what kind of a feat they pulled off. Seems like a Herculean task.
    Sounds closer to 26 plus weeks or the date of conception was off. It is highly possible they used a different metric. Instead of limp like now ....they might have used actual fetal age.

    Either way I am glad you are with us!

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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Sounds closer to 26 plus weeks or the date of conception was off. It is highly possible they used a different metric. Instead of limp like now ....they might have used actual fetal age.

    Either way I am glad you are with us!
    Mom said "six months". That's all I have to go by. I used to have some kind of a document that had my footprints on it, I don't know what it was. My birth certificate is a pretty standard affair.

    So, no idea on what my odds really were?
    “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass."

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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Mom said "six months". That's all I have to go by. I used to have some kind of a document that had my footprints on it, I don't know what it was. My birth certificate is a pretty standard affair.

    So, no idea on what my odds really were?
    your posts seem confused and ignorant of facts as usual

    RvW is based on 24 weeks cause thats the medical science consensus of 50% viability
    Earliest possible viability is 21 weeks due to lung development

    This isnt made up nor is it just legal terms its based on medical science

    If you were born today, rationally you would have an even better chance based on medical advancements . . no laws changed this
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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Mom said "six months". That's all I have to go by. I used to have some kind of a document that had my footprints on it, I don't know what it was. My birth certificate is a pretty standard affair.

    So, no idea on what my odds really were?
    So first of all depending on the months, six months could be 24 weeks (unlikely) or 26 weeks. Those two weeks are huge in terms of fetal development. Then if her doctor went by actual fetal age and not LMP, you could tack on another 2 weeks. Again that would bring you up to 28 weeks. 28 weeks seems way more likely than 24 weeks given your weight.

    At 28 weeks chances are great now....back in the 40's...not so sure.

    As an ICU RN, I am really curious what help they gave your for breathing back then. The 21st century accouterments make 28 weeks a blessed number (as far as preemies go), but back then with all of the surfactactant/ventilation and oxygenation issues I have to wonder what was available back then.

    Regardless. I am happy you are here to tell us about it.

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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So first of all depending on the months, six months could be 24 weeks (unlikely) or 26 weeks. Those two weeks are huge in terms of fetal development. Then if her doctor went by actual fetal age and not LMP, you could tack on another 2 weeks. Again that would bring you up to 28 weeks. 28 weeks seems way more likely than 24 weeks given your weight.

    At 28 weeks chances are great now....back in the 40's...not so sure.

    As an ICU RN, I am really curious what help they gave your for breathing back then. The 21st century accouterments make 28 weeks a blessed number (as far as preemies go), but back then with all of the surfactactant/ventilation and oxygenation issues I have to wonder what was available back then.

    Regardless. I am happy you are here to tell us about it.
    Thank you for your kind words. I was hoping you could help me piece this together, there is nobody left for me to ask and I haven't been able to find anything on the web. When I was a kid I didn't think much of it but today when I look back on the state of the art even in the 1960's I can't imagine how much more primitive it was in the 1950's.
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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    your posts seem confused and ignorant of facts as usual

    RvW is based on 24 weeks cause thats the medical science consensus of 50% viability
    Earliest possible viability is 21 weeks due to lung development

    This isnt made up nor is it just legal terms its based on medical science

    If you were born today, rationally you would have an even better chance based on medical advancements . . no laws changed this
    As usual, you don't have the faintest idea of what I was saying but you have to get your talking points in.
    “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass."

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    Re: [W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    As usual, you don't have the faintest idea of what I was saying but you have to get your talking points in.
    Nice try but another fail that nobody here honest, educated and objective buys........
    Next time do some research before babbling off at the mouth and understand that research, statements you made in this thread were factually wrong as me and other pointed out, your feelings dont change that fact
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