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[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

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Tanngrisnir said:
IOW, you have no argument so you just shake your fist at that sky and scream in impotent rage.

You should go look up the word 'murder'.
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You can see she doesnt have the answers. My posts have some very direct arguments which she's unable to refute.
 
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Wan Wins.
 
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Angel said:
Wan Wins.
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I did not see her directly address your moral argument. She didnt support hers any better than you did yours.

Are you so desperate to 'win' yourself that you'll accept anything anyone says that agrees with you?

Of course it's been hundreds of pages since you failed to make your argument and anyone has taken you seriously but this is pretty pathetic.

And yet...several of us are still willing to address your arguments if and when you can ever directly refute the arguments we presented that prove yours wrong.
 
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Lursa said:
I did not see her directly address your moral argument. She didnt support hers any better than you did yours.

Are you so desperate to 'win' yourself that you'll accept anything anyone says that agrees with you?

Of course it's been hundreds of pages since you failed to make your argument and anyone has taken you seriously but this is pretty pathetic.

And yet...several of us are still willing to address your arguments if and when you can ever directly refute the arguments we presented that prove yours wrong.
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You enjoy such grandiose daydreams. Posting on an internet forum simply wastes your creative gifts.
 
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Wan said:
Yes they *can* be a zygote but they aren't.
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As a zygote *can* become a human being, but a zygote is *not* a human being.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
As a zygote *can* become a human being, but a zygote is *not* a human being.
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Then it depends on your definition of what a human being is.

One thing I know is that a zygote is a live human, and this is good enough for me.
 
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Wan said:
Then it depends on your definition of what a human being is.

One thing I know is that a zygote is a live human, and this is good enough for me.
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I can work with any standard definition of human being.

Even calling a zygote "a live human" is technically incorrect.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
I can work with any standard definition of human being.

Even calling a zygote "a live human" is technically incorrect.
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It's not. A zygote is an organism that 1. contains human DNA and 2. is alive. An organism that satisfies both of these conditions is a live human.

What is your definition of a "live human"?
 
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Angel said:
You enjoy such grandiose daydreams. Posting on an internet forum simply wastes your creative gifts.
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Another post completely lacking in discussion. Why is that? There are a few direct refutations to your argument posted, by me and others, still not addressed. Why are you unable to direct your posting to those instead of cheap little avoidances? It shows your argument has no merit.
 
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Wan said:
It's not. A zygote is an organism that 1. contains human DNA and 2. is alive. An organism that satisfies both of these conditions is a live human.

What is your definition of a "live human"?
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Wordplay. It does not make a zef into a person, "pre-born" or otherwise.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
Wordplay. It does not make a zef into a person, "pre-born" or otherwise.
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I did not say a zygote is a person. I say it's a live human.

Also, you did not answer my question. What is your definition for "live human"?
 
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Lursa said:
Another post completely lacking in discussion. Why is that? There are a few direct refutations to your argument posted, by me and others, still not addressed. Why are you unable to direct your posting to those instead of cheap little avoidances? It shows your argument has no merit.
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Whassat? "A few direct refutations"? Point to one of these "direct refutations" -- by number is enough -- and let's see whether it is indeed "a refutation," as you claim, or simply a dismissal, which is the m.o. of the sect.
 
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Wan said:
Laws can be wrong, too. You are supposed to use your own faculties (if you have any) to decide for yourself whether abortion is murder.
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Sez who?


I will give you a hint: it is. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a live human. And the deliberate killing of a live human is murder. Therefore, abortion is murder. And note that during the whole thing, I made no reference to laws, and it's because laws are not required to determine whether abortion is murder.
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Murder is a legal term.You've been schooled in it's meaning.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Sez who?
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Says me and a lot of people who have their own faculties (you are apparently not one of them).

Are you seriously telling me people should not think for themselves and instead should rely on the laws to tell them whether abortion is murder?



Murder is a legal term.You've been schooled in it's meaning.
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Says the woman who does not use her brain cells (what little she had to begin with) to figure things out for herself.
 
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Wan said:
I did not say a zygote is a person. I say it's a live human.

Also, you did not answer my question. What is your definition for "live human"?
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"live human" is wordplay. It doesn't mean anything without further context. Example : "live human sperm".
 
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Angel said:
Whassat? "A few direct refutations"? Point to one of these "direct refutations" -- by number is enough -- and let's see whether it is indeed "a refutation," as you claim, or simply a dismissal, which is the m.o. of the sect.
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The one where you posted your 'source' (that you now deny) and I bolded and color coded it, showing exactly how you were wrong. It was post 156 in one of the threads and Minnie reposted it a couple of times.

That's one. I'm not going back thru all the rest...you have been incapable of supporting your argument and used this and other avoidance techniques...just admit your failure. It's amazing the lengths you'll go to to attempt to save face 'on the Internetz.' But that post 156 pretty much put an end to all doubt...using the source YOU presented as an attempt to defend your position. (and now try to deny :doh
 
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Wan said:
Says me and a lot of people who have their own faculties (you are apparently not one of them).
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What is your qualification to make that determination?


Are you seriously telling me people should not think for themselves and instead should rely on the laws to tell them whether abortion is murder?
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Murder is a legal term. It is ILLEGAL killing of a human being. If something (ie abortion, death penalty) is legal, it CANNOT be murder.
 
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Wan said:
Then it depends on your definition of what a human being is.

One thing I know is that a zygote is a live human, and this is good enough for me.
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