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AP Abortion: Moral Responsibility

Angel said:
Lursa doesn't recognize morality -- only law. This is a common enough type today, and as dangerous as it was in 1850s America.
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Your morality is nothing but your personal opinions. Claiming it is something more because you used a bunch of personal opinions to string together an "argument" doesnt change that fact that it is nothing more than your personal opinion
 
Quag said:
Your morality is nothing but your personal opinions. Claiming it is something more because you used a bunch of personal opinions to string together an "argument" doesnt change that fact that it is nothing more than your personal opinion
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Here's my argument:

1. The taking of a human life for any reason other than self-defense is immoral.

2. Except where the pregnant woman's life is at risk, abortion is immoral.

3. But human beings have a right to be immoral.

4. Therefore women have a right to be immoral.

6. Therefore women have a right to abort pregnancies.

Engage it or shut up already.
 
Angel said:
Here's my argument:

1. The taking of a human life for any reason other than self-defense is immoral.

2. Except where the pregnant woman's life is at risk, abortion is immoral.

3. But human beings have a right to be immoral.

4. Therefore women have a right to be immoral.

6. Therefore women have a right to abort pregnancies.

Engage it or shut up already.
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Like others I already have.
1. A claim that is just your personal opinion
2, A claim that is just your personal opinion
3. A claim that is just your personal opinion
4. 1-3 are just opinions thus the 4 is just an opinion
5. missing
6. See 4 but also incorrect as they have the right because the law says they do not because of any "argument" you have made.

Engage by trying to defend your claims or shut up already
 
Quag said:
Like others I already have.
1. A claim that is just your personal opinion
2, A claim that is just your personal opinion
3. A claim that is just your personal opinion
4. 1-3 are just opinions thus the 4 is just an opinion
5. missing
6. See 4 but also incorrect as they have the right because the law says they do not because of any "argument" you have made.

Engage by trying to defend your claims or shut up already
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So you've just proved my point.
All you offer is your assertion that my argument is mere opinion.
That's all you have and all you've had all along -- your personal opinion about my argument.

Your personal opinion is not an argument, however. It is simply your assertion.
You have nothing.
You haven't engaged the argument I've presented; you just dismiss it.
The thousand posts you've polluted my threads with are backed up by nothing.
They are merely your opinion.
 
Angel said:
So you've just proved my point.
All you offer is your assertion that my argument is mere opinion.
That's all you have and all you've had all along -- your personal opinion about my argument.

Your personal opinion is not an argument, however. It is simply your assertion.
You have nothing.
You haven't engaged the argument I've presented; you just dismiss it.
The thousand posts you've polluted my threads with are backed up by nothing.
They are merely your opinion.
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And you have failed utterly to see what is wrong with your"argument"
You cannot back up yopur claims so you try this silly diversion. It wont work, your claims need to be proven as something other than your personal opinion for your "conclusions" to be something other than your personal opinions

LOGIC thats how it works
 
Quag said:
And you have failed utterly to see what is wrong with your"argument"
You cannot back up yopur claims so you try this silly diversion. It wont work, your claims need to be proven as something other than your personal opinion for your "conclusions" to be something other than your personal opinions

LOGIC thats how it works
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Show that my argument doesn't work logically then.
 
Angel said:
Show that my argument doesn't work logically then.
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I literally just showed you that!!!

The conclusion of any argument based on opinions is just an opiniojn
Thats is the logic of why your "arguments" are just opinions.
Now shut up or defend your claims
 
Quag said:
I literally just showed you that!!!

The conclusion of any argument based on opinions is just an opiniojn
Thats is the logic of why your "arguments" are just opinions.
Now shut up or defend your claims
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You're asserting, not showing. And you're expressing your opinion to boot. According to you, that makes your assertion true only for you.
 
Angel said:
You're asserting, not showing. And you're expressing your opinion to boot. According to you, that makes your assertion true only for you.
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I am asserting basic logic, I am not expressing an opinion

You need to go to school before you waste any more of anyones time here

Now defend your claimns or shut up
 
Quag said:
I am asserting basic logic, I am not expressing an opinion

You need to go to school before you waste any more of anyones time here

Now defend your claimns or shut up
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You're using the word "logic" in your posts; that's all. You're not discussing logic at all. You're expressing your opinion about my argument, is all.
 
Angel said:
You're using the word "logic" in your posts; that's all. You're not discussing logic at all. You're expressing your opinion about my argument, is all.
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No I am using logic unlike you who doesnt even comprehend what it is

Stop being dishonest and trying to divert form your failue defend your claims or admit you cannot
 
Quag said:
No I am using logic unlike you who doesnt even comprehend what it is

Stop being dishonest and trying to divert form your failue defend your claims or admit you cannot
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Quit the personal remarks and say something about logic.
 
Angel said:
Quit the personal remarks and say something about logic.
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Already have quit being dishonest and deal with your failure
 
Quag said:
Already have quit being dishonest and deal with your failure
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If you really wanted to discuss this matter and you really understood logic, instead of the thousand posts about "opinion," you'd have posted somewhat along these lines:

"Your logic may be valid, Angel, but your premises are false and therefore your argument unsound...."

A statement like this would have attested to your knowing what you're talking about and to your good-faith intention to discuss the matter with me.
Instead we got the thousand heckling posts about personal opinion containing not a shred of evidence that you know the first thing about logic.

Give it a rest.
 
Angel said:
If you really wanted to discuss this matter and you really understood logic, instead of the thousand posts about "opinion," you'd have posted somewhat along these lines:

"Your logic may be valid, Angel, but your premises are false and therefore your argument unsound...."

A statement like this would have attested to your knowing what you're talking about and to your good-faith intention to discuss the matter with me.
Instead we got the thousand heckling posts about personal opinion containing not a shred of evidence that you know the first thing about logic.

Give it a rest.
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Your dishonesty is legendary as is your refusal to back up your claims
 
Quag said:
Your dishonesty is legendary as is your refusal to back up your claims
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Do you think Angel's logical form is valid or not? I know one of his premises is subjective in nature, so I can see that if you sincerely disagree with it, this could mean his logical form is unsound to you. But surely you agree that his logical form is valid.
 
Wan said:
Do you think Angel's logical form is valid or not? I know one of his premises is subjective in nature, so I can see that if you sincerely disagree with it, this could mean his logical form is unsound to you. But surely you agree that his logical form is valid.
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The form is irrelevant to the fact that the basis of his argument is nothing more than his opinion which makes the conclusion nothing more than his opinion.

Making a logically formed argument that the moon is made of cheese doesn't prove the moon is made of cheese it just means the basis the of the argument no matter how logical its form is unsound.
Or if you like shaping doggy doo-doo into the Venus de Milo wont change it into a marble statue
 
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Quag said:
The form is irrelevant to the fact that the basis of his argument is nothing more than his opinion which makes the conclusion nothing more than his opinion.

Making a logically formed argument that the moon is made of cheese doesn't prove the moon is made of cheese it just means the basis the of the argument no matter how logical its form is unsound.
Or if you like shaping doggy doo-doo into the Venus de Milo wont change it into a marble statue
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"Opinion" is what you are expressing on the premises of my logically valid argument. If you deem the premises false, let's hear your argument to that effect. If you have no argument, but only your opinion, well then we've heard that opinion a thousand times by now. Enough already.
 
Quag said:
The form is irrelevant to the fact that the basis of his argument is nothing more than his opinion which makes the conclusion nothing more than his opinion.

Making a logically formed argument that the moon is made of cheese doesn't prove the moon is made of cheese it just means the basis the of the argument no matter how logical its form is unsound.
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But there is a difference between "killing an innocent human is wrong except in self-defense" and "the moon is made of cheese". The latter is false, so yes, it would make a logical form unsound. However, the former, even though it's subjective, it is not automatically wrong. For someone who agrees with that statement, Angel's logical form is sound.
 
Wan said:
But there is a difference between "killing an innocent human is wrong except in self-defense" and "the moon is made of cheese". The latter is false, so yes, it would make a logical form unsound. However, the former, even though it's subjective, it is not automatically wrong. For someone who agrees with that statement, Angel's logical form is sound.
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You know that the moon is not made of cheese you do not know that "The taking of a human life for any reason other than self-defense is immoral."
In fact I would say that it is false there are many other reasons that would not be immoral. Morality being subjective the answer is never proven to be correct.
As to being automatically wrong I never said that I said the "argument" was base don his opinion opinion and thus his conclusion is just his opinion.
 
Angel said:
"Opinion" is what you are expressing on the premises of my logically valid argument. If you deem the premises false, let's hear your argument to that effect. If you have no argument, but only your opinion, well then we've heard that opinion a thousand times by now. Enough already.
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Your premises are not proven in fact I will state categorically that I believe them to be wrong, that is my opinion
The fact that an argument based on an opinion has a conclusion that is nothing more than an opinion is NOT an opinion, it is logic.
 
Quag said:
Your premises are not proven in fact I will state categorically that I believe them to be wrong, that is my opinion
The fact that an argument based on an opinion has a conclusion that is nothing more than an opinion is NOT an opinion, it is logic.
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It's not an opinion. It's a moral argument.
 
Wan said:
It's not an opinion. It's a moral argument.
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An argument based on an opinion is an opinion.
Moral arguments are always based on opinions and thus they are always nothing more than opinions
 
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