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Hands Down! Pro-Choice Supercedes Them!

tosca1 said:
You want victim impact? Here are some of the survivors!


10 Abortion Survivors - Listverse


BARBARIC! Cold-blooded!

Pro-choice isn't any different than ISIS or the Taliban -

the only big difference is that while Islamists do it for religion, Pro-Choice do it for CONVENIENCE!
You treat the most vulnerable human being worst that you'd treat your garbage!
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/// pro-choice isn't any different than ISIS or Taliban ///// <----- :screwy
 
Gina said:
Answered in my reply at #46.

Pro-choice, is not pro-abortion. year2late's reply stands.

Yeah, women do die and suffer severe consequences from pregnancy so they decide whether abortion is the right thing for them. They decide whether they have the personal, financial, and social resources to safely be pregnant...before even figuring out if she could raise another child. Her body her choice to decide whether to maintain the pregnancy.
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let's get this straight:

If the woman does not want to remain pregnant - what are you both referring to as her
option to remove that pregnancy? Abortion, right?



Lol. Of course, pro-choice is pro-abortion!

You both support the woman's so-called right to kill her own child through abortion -
and now, you tell me, you are not pro-abortion?
You gotta be kidding me! Are you pulling my leg, or what?


Pro-choice, is, pro-abortion. If you are pro-choice, you are pro-abortion.
Now I'm interested to know.......

Why are you trying to distance yourself from that logical fact?
 
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tosca1 said:
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let's get this straight:

If the woman does not want to remain pregnant - what are you both referring to as her
option to remove that pregnancy? Abortion, right?



Lol. Of course, pro-choice is pro-abortion!

You both support the woman's so-called right to kill her own child through abortion -
and now, you tell me, you are not pro-abortion?



Why are you trying to distance yourself from that logical fact? :lol:
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Nope...pro-choice =/= pro-abortion. That you don't understand this 'fact' doesn't reflect very well on your intelligence regarding this issue . That's on you....nobody else...
 
Originally Posted by Gina View Post

Pregnancy is not eating or walking. To make that comparison is willfully, cruelly dismissive. Growing a baby is a complicated process and taxing on a woman's body. There can be serious unknown complications.
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Nope. Pro-choice likes to bring the argument of "risk" involved.
Nothing cruel or dismissive about stating a simple fact of life.
We all know what could be the possible consequence of having sex. Nothing in life is risk-free.
That's just the way it is. :shrug:

Mind you, unlike eating - you also have the option of celibacy, until you're ready to have children!


Be thankful, we've come a long way.......at least, there are more preventive measures to keep pregnancy
from happening.

No more silly excuses for unwanted pregnancies.
 
Originally Posted by Gina View Post
Answered in my reply at #46.

Pro-choice, is not pro-abortion. year2late's reply stands.

Yeah, women do die and suffer severe consequences from pregnancy so they decide whether abortion is the right thing for them. They decide whether they have the personal, financial, and social resources to safely be pregnant...before even figuring out if she could raise another child. Her body her choice to decide whether to maintain the pregnancy.
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Hahaha I showed this response to someone, and she asks:


What's the other option to remove a pregnancy other than......... abortion?

yeah. Hey Gina and Year2late, I'm curious.
Is there a new way technology came up with to remove an unwanted pregnancy without resorting
to killing the unborn? Eh?
 
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tosca1 said:
yeah. Hey Gina and Year2late, I'm curious.
Is there a new way technology came up with to remove an unwanted pregnancy without resorting
to killing the unborn? Eh?
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Is there a way to force a woman to carry without violating her legal rights, treating her as a second class citizen and risking her health and life against her will eh?
LMAO your post fails again

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tosca1 said:
1.)let's get this straight:
2.) If the woman does not want to remain pregnant - what are you both referring to as her option to remove that pregnancy? Abortion, right?
3.) Of course, pro-choice is pro-abortion!
4.)You both support the woman's so-called right to kill her own child through abortion -
5.) and now, you tell me, you are not pro-abortion? [/I]
6.)Pro-choice, is, pro-abortion. If you are pro-choice, you are pro-abortion.
7.) Now I'm interested to know.......Why are you trying to distance yourself from that logical fact?
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1.) we already have it straight, facts prove your lies wrong
2.) whatever her choice is it is
3.) nope theres nothing that makes that tactfully true . . nothing
4.) there is no such right, another lie fails
5.) nope just beating your lies down with facts. if you disagree post one thing that makes them factually the same . . one . . you cant LMAO
6.) once again theres nothing that makes that factually true
7.) what logical fact, you havent posted one. the retarded lie you posted was destroyed and you have no facts to make it otherwise . . . done . . zero . . .zip . . zilch . . .nadda . . :)

When you have any facts that support your exposed lies please post them, thanks
 
tosca1 said:
You want victim impact? Here are some of the survivors!
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Such hysteria, no wonder your posts are barely comprehensible.

Those are not recent occurances, they are decades old. The laws have changed and some of those were even illegal at the time.

Those processes arent even legal anymore. If we have laws against them today (we do)...and someone breaks the laws to do them....what else do you suggest? We cannot stop all criminal behavior.

So your post is completely irrelevant today, you really had to scrape hard to go that far off topic to find something to attempt to shore up your failed argument. Those things are all illegal today. If they occur....laws were broken. Let me...and the police...know when you can predict criminals breaking the law.
 
tosca1 said:
Yeah, the sensible next step.....improve your protection!
Especially when one has already had an abortion, anyone who thinks with her brains will make sure
there isn't a second one! or, a third one!
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Again...your cognitive abilities are exceedingly poor. Math is not your strong point, eh?

--When used correctly and consistently, non-surgical birth control methods are about 98% effective.

--Millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times every day.

--With even the tiny rate of error for birth control, that still means there are 10's of thousands of accidental pregnancies every day.​

So, take your own advice, in blue bold.

Do you believe there is any likelihood that Americans will choose to have less sex?
 
tosca1 said:
What's wrong with condom and IUD? Or, condom and the pill? You gotta have condom there - for STD!

With the proper - and, CONSISTENT - use of protection - a woman need not get pregnant!
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You've been told that the proper, recommended way to use condoms is to use something else...spermicide, diaphragm, etc with it.

Even so, used correctly like that...it's never 100% effective.

Nor are any other non-surgical means of birth control....properly and consistently used, there is still a failure rate.

So...as you've been shown, that means there will still be 10s of thousands of accidental pregnancies every day.

You have a totally FAILED argument if you want to keep banging your 'irresponsible woman' gong. It happens even to the most committed couples.

It's dishonest for you to continue to lie about this...a great sin trying to force God's Word down people's throats with LIES.
 
tosca1 said:
Nope. Pro-choice likes to bring the argument of "risk" involved.
Nothing cruel or dismissive about stating a simple fact of life.
We all know what could be the possible consequence of having sex. Nothing in life is risk-free.
That's just the way it is. :shrug:
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That's correct. And American women, when they consider their lives, and the risks, they know that they have the choice for a safer, legal option in abortion.

If a woman cannot afford or care for a child, why should she risk her life and health and all her obligations and commitments to others? Abortion is 14 times safer that pregnancy/childbirth.

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Getting a legal abortion is much safer than giving birth, suggests a new U.S. study published Monday.

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.


Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters​

Can't get much more clear about who values the unborn more than women than pointing this out and seeing the responses.
 
tosca1 said:
Thus I asked: Can't a woman think?

If pro-choice keeps throwing this silly argument that contraceptives are not 100% safe (though studies show the success rate is still high ).....I'm thinking, what's stopping women from improving their protection?


Is there a limit to protection you can use? What's wrong with using two methods, or even three,
at the same time?

What's wrong with condom and IUD? Or, condom and the pill? You gotta have condom there - for STD!

With the proper - and, CONSISTENT - use of protection - a woman need not get pregnant!


Studies show that INCONSISTENT and IMPROPER use of protection is the main reason why
abortion rate is high! I'd given a source somewhere back there.
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Of course women can think for themselves. I asked you, since you seem to want to tell women what they can and cannot do, what you think they should do to not get pregnant.

I cannot paste the chart of failure rates and side effects of birth control. But here is the typed out version from this link:

Birth Control Failure Rates - American Pregnancy Association

Cervical Cap 12% Failure Rate, higher after childbirth, no side effects unless allergic
Condom-Female 21% Failure Rate, no side effects unless allergic
Condom-Male 18 % Failure Rate, no side effects unless allergic
Depo-Provera Injection 6 % Failure Rate, Side effects: Irregular, missed or heavier than normal menstrual cycle, weight gain, breast tenderness, depression, bloating abdominal pain, headaches, allergic reaction.
Diaphragm 12% Failure Rate, no side effects unless allergic
Rhythm Method 25 % Failure Rate
Implant Hormonal .05% Failure Rate, Side effects, no period, spotting, light or heavy and prolonged bleeding, painful menstruation, acne, weight gain, depressed mood, blood clots, movement of implant ectopic pregnancy, ovarian cysts.
IUDs .8% Failure Rate, Side effects, ectopic pregnancies, increased bleeding during menstrual cycle, severe menstrual cramps, perforation of the uterus, Pelvic Inflammatory Disease.
The pill and the patch (estrogen/prgestin or progestin only) Failure Rate 9% for the pill 9% or greater if over 198 lbs Side effects, Nausea, headaches, weight gain, depression, irregular bleeding, acne, blood clots, breast tenderness, menstrual cycle changes.
Spermacide only 28 % Failure Rate no side effects unless allergic.
Sterilization-Female .5% Failure Rate side effects, if a woman conceives after a sterilization procedure, there is a risk of ectopic pregnancy. The earlier it's done, the greater risk of pregnancy after 10 years, up to 5%.
Sterilization-Male .15% Failure Rate, no side effects
Vaginal Ring-Hormonal 9% Failure Rate Side effects, blood clots, liver or gallbladder problems, Toxic Shock Syndrome, depression acne, weight gain, nausea/vomiting, movement of the ring.
Withdrawal 22% Failure Rate no side effects
Doing nothing 25% Failure Rate no side effects

There is a failure rate associated with birth control. Even if a woman consistently follows those methods, there is still a possibility of failure along with some terrible side effects for some of the most common methods (pills and IUDs). Condoms are not necessary for monogamous couples unless one or both of them have something, herpes or HIV-AIDS, they don't want to give the other. I would be dishonest if I did not acknowledge that women forget to take the pill every day. But I also would be remiss in failing to say there are men out there who won't use condoms or permit birth control for religious reasons (Catholic for instance) or because that's the way it is.

Abortion rates have been steadily falling for years:

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tosca1 said:
:roll:

let's get this straight:

If the woman does not want to remain pregnant - what are you both referring to as her
option to remove that pregnancy? Abortion, right?



Lol. Of course, pro-choice is pro-abortion!

You both support the woman's so-called right to kill her own child through abortion -
and now, you tell me, you are not pro-abortion?
You gotta be kidding me! Are you pulling my leg, or what?


Pro-choice, is, pro-abortion. If you are pro-choice, you are pro-abortion.
Now I'm interested to know.......

Why are you trying to distance yourself from that logical fact?
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No pro-choice is not pro-abortion. There is a difference. To support a woman's right to choose, to have a baby or not, no matter her circumstances, is the putting her choice above another person's, persons' or organization's opinion about it.
 
Gina said:
Of course women can think for themselves.
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Then, they should use their brains to THINK!
If they want to make sure that they don't get pregnant - what should they do?



I asked you, since you seem to want to tell women what they can and cannot do, what you think they should do to not get pregnant.
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WRONG! I'm not telling women what they can, and cannot do!
I am trying to protect and uphold the right of another human being (fetus) against what I see as
his senseless, barbaric murder!

Do you know how they are killed? Burning, is one of them! They are burnt through a chemical!
Isn't that kinda like another barbaric practice of pouring gasoline on a person and lighting him up?

I'm telling you, Pro-choice has a lot in common with ISIS and Taliban........not to mention, Hitler!






I cannot paste the chart of failure rates and side effects of birth control. But here is the typed out version from this link:


Abortion rates have been steadily falling for years:

trendsinabortiongraph.png
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Don't waste your time pasting any failure rate chart. Failure rate, is moot.
Like I've said.....there is a way around any failure rate, if the woman uses her so-called developed brain!

In this day and age.....a woman need not get pregnant.
 
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tosca1 said:
I am trying to protect and uphold the right of another human being (fetus)
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what right?
why doesnt the factual rights of the woman matter?
why do you see her as a lesser?
 
Gina said:
No pro-choice is not pro-abortion. There is a difference. To support a woman's right to choose, to have a baby or not, no matter her circumstances, is the putting her choice above another person's, persons' or organization's opinion about it.
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It's this simple, Gina:

if you support the woman's right to choose to abort her child (for whatever reason she may have) -
that makes you, pro-abortion!

You support the woman's right to choose to kill her child - therefore, you support the killing of this unborn child anytime a woman chooses to do so (for whatever reason she may have).

Abortion is the only way to remove an unwanted pregnancy - so, you can't even say, I support her right to remove her pregnancy except through abortion! That's why I asked you, what other option is there to remove an unwanted pregnancy?

It doesn't matter whether it's her right that you support. You support her right to use abortion.
Therefore, you are pro-abortion.

That's a logical fact.


Furthermore, you say......

"To support a woman's right to choose, to have a baby or not, no matter her circumstances,"

Lol, your support for abortion is all-encompassing! It's UNCONDITIONAL!
You didn't even put any caveat in your support for her right to kill! Some would say, they support it only if the woman's life is actually at risk.




Why do you go through this silly argument trying to distance yourself from being a supporter
of abortion?
 
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tosca1 said:
:roll:

However you want to spin it - if you support the woman's right to abort her child (for whatever reason she may have) - that makes you pro-abortion!

That's a logical fact.
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:lamo
thats NOT a fact

no matter how many times yo post that lie it will never be a fact, if you disagree i directly challenge you (OR ANYBODY) to prove otherwise . . you cant LMAO
 
tosca1 said:
WRONG! I'm not telling women what they can, and cannot do!

I am trying to protect and uphold the right of another human being (fetus) against what I see as
his senseless, barbaric murder!

Do you know how they are killed? Burning, is one of them! They are burnt through a chemical!
Isn't that kinda like another barbaric practice of pouring gasoline on a person and lighting him up?

I'm telling you, Pro-choice has a lot in common with ISIS and Taliban........not to mention, Hitler!
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Ugh. ^^ Regurgitated from the very depths of ignorance and dishonesty.

You have been here enough that you know this is a blatant lie. No such processes are legal. If they are, let's see sources. If they've occurred legally in the last decade...let's see sources.

Otherwise, again, lying to try and force God's Will on others is a huge sin.

You know all this and if you didnt, now you do and should stop lying about it:

97.5% of all abortions consist of a pea-sized or smaller unborn being flushed painlessly from the womb.

The rest, later term abortions, are for medically necessary reasons and the unborn is given a lethal injection with anesthetic. It knows and feels nothing. And what happens to it after it is dead doesnt matter. Would you prefer that the woman endure further pain and damage by the removal of an intact fetus (depending on Dr's assessment)? If so, then you just display more of your unChristian hate for women.

There is no pain, no acid, no awareness, no horrors that feed weak minds and enable them to self-indulgently wallow dishonestly in moral outrage.

These are the facts and unless you can prove otherwise, anytime that you post that crap again is an egregious sin against Our Lord.
 
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tosca1 said:
which is really silly, since pro-lifers are simply asking for 9 months (from the mother)
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One of the more deranged pro-life threads I've seen on here which is saying something, but the fact that you think 9 months of pain, sickness, bodily deformation, and potential death is "simple" then we under no obligation to take your viewpoint seriously when it comes to this subject at all. Pregnancy has the potential to radically alter a woman's body for the rest of her life. You want to use the power of the federal government to radically curtail the basic human rights of all women everywhere and force them against their will to serve as hosts for something that you can't even convince the majority of the country is truly a person.
 
MrWonka said:
One of the more deranged pro-life threads I've seen on here which is saying something, but the fact that you think 9 months of pain, sickness, bodily deformation, and potential death is "simple" then we under no obligation to take your viewpoint seriously when it comes to this subject at all. Pregnancy has the potential to radically alter a woman's body for the rest of her life. You want to use the power of the federal government to radically curtail the basic human rights of all women everywhere and force them against their will to serve as hosts for something that you can't even convince the majority of the country is truly a person.
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:applaud :applaud :applaud

Not to mention how it will impact her ability to fulfill her commitments and obligations to her family, employer, church, community, society, etc. Temporarily...like in losing a job needed to support dependents or permanently, as in disability or death.
 
tosca1 said:
Then, they should use their brains to THINK!
If they want to make sure that they don't get pregnant - what should they do?
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Every contraceptive has a failure rate. You've been schooled on that.


WRONG! I'm not telling women what they can, and cannot do!
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You want abortion banned. That is telling women what they can or cannot do w/ their pregnancies.


I am trying to protect and uphold the right of another human being (fetus) against what I see as
his senseless, barbaric murder!
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A fetus is not a human being and abortion is not murder. You've been schooled on that.


Do you know how they are killed? Burning, is one of them! They are burnt through a chemical!
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Bovine excrement.



I'm telling you, Pro-choice has a lot in common with ISIS and Taliban........not to mention, Hitler!
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Hitler was not pro choice. He wanted non whites to abort, but prohibited Aryan women from doing so.




In this day and age.....a woman need not get pregnant.
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We've gone through this before. Women cannot will themselves to get or not get pregnant.
 
tosca1 said:
You support the woman's right to choose to kill her child - therefore, you support the killing of this unborn child anytime a woman chooses to do so (for whatever reason she may have).
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Incorrect. You can support a right to do something without supporting the action. I support the right to smoke, but I do not support smoking. I support the right to not wear helmets while riding a motorcycle, but I do not support actually not wearing one.
 
MrWonka said:
One of the more deranged pro-life threads I've seen on here which is saying something, but the fact that you think 9 months of pain, sickness, bodily deformation, and potential death is "simple" then we under no obligation to take your viewpoint seriously when it comes to this subject at all. Pregnancy has the potential to radically alter a woman's body for the rest of her life. You want to use the power of the federal government to radically curtail the basic human rights of all women everywhere and force them against their will to serve as hosts for something that you can't even convince the majority of the country is truly a person.
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Deranged are those with warped perspectives! Thank you. That's another thing Pro-Choice has in common
with the Taliban.

Lol.....like I said....women need not get pregnant in this day and age! No more excuses!
Especially so if they view pregnancy as, (to quote you)........."9 months of pain, sickness, bodily deformation, and potential death."

So, why is she pregnant?
 
Scrabaholic said:
Incorrect. You can support a right to do something without supporting the action. I support the right to smoke, but I do not support smoking. I support the right to not wear helmets while riding a motorcycle, but I do not support actually not wearing one.
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Not exactly comparable. Answer this: Do you support the right to smoke in a restaurant?
Please explain why you support it or not.



You're supporting the method that removes her pregnancy! You're more than fine with it.
You can't even say you're neutral about it!

Instead of arguing for the use of prevention (or, just keep your opinion to yourself)..........
........ ........you argue for abortion to be LEGAL and, available! :shrug:

That makes you very much, pro-abortion.

Anyway.....

If you simply just support her right to choose - you wouldn't be fighting for abortion to be legal.
Her right to choose, has always been there.

So, that busts your claim that you simply support her right to choose.
 
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