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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    You jist argued in your op that the fetus has no rights to personhood. What are you gonna charge that 3rd party with even if they killed the baby on purpose. You just argued the fetus has no rights of personhood.

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    The charge depends on how far along the development of the baby is. Some time in the second trimester, the fetus develops enough to feel pain. When that milestone is reached, I think it should have rights, and I think charging the criminal with a double murder is justified. The police and or government should be allowed to press charges. But the specifics should be determined by the affected party and what they decide will give them the most closure. If they don't want to press charges, then they shouldn't have to. If the baby didn't reach person hood yet, but the family wanted the baby, and pressing charges will give them closure, then they should be free to do so.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    Abortion is legal, what's the argument?
    I wish it were that simple. Abortion is legal, but people are fighting hard to make it illegal again, and they are somewhat winning. Pro-lifers are placing such burdensome restrictions and regulations on abortion clinics that many have had to shut down. Last I heard, there were seven states with only one abortion clinic left. The constitution is not being upheld. It may already be legal, but now people need to fight to *keep* it legal.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody1875 View Post
    I wish it were that simple. Abortion is legal, but people are fighting hard to make it illegal again, and they are somewhat winning. Pro-lifers are placing such burdensome restrictions and regulations on abortion clinics that many have had to shut down. Last I heard, there were seven states with only one abortion clinic left. The constitution is not being upheld. It may already be legal, but now people need to fight to *keep* it legal.
    Guns and abortion are two of the very few things the GOP has that they can act like they care about and it gives them two groups of single issue voters. The amount of abortion threads on here tells you the right will never stop trying to end abortions in america. If we're going to invoke christian law in america, does that mean all liars will be stoned to death?
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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by gulfman View Post
    Maybe I'm wrong about abortion.This makes sense.If liberals were aloud to multiply like rabbits we would be doomed.
    We multiply aloud? Name one woman in history who remained silent during labor and delivery who wasn't a mute to begin with. Of course it's aloud.

    Oh, wait ... did you mean allowed? Sorry, I keep forgetting that righties are often uneducated.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    here's why it isn't a good argument:

    Putting "person" in quotations does not mean the fetus is not human. The offspring of a human couple
    (no matter what stage of development he is), can only be a......human.

    The definition of a person is...... a human.

    Stripping a human of his humanity, does not make him less human.
    That's what Hitler did with the Jews - to make it acceptable to annihilate them, the same way the slavers did to Black people - to make it acceptable to treat them inhumanely.


    Whenever someone tries to diminish a person's humanity -

    you bet, it's because they know what they're about to do is EVIL.

    They're going to do something that shouldn't be done to a human being.






    Your dog is alive, and it's not a person.....but it does still have rights, right?
    Go ahead, see what happens if you kill a dog on youtube.
    You'll likely have to go into hiding yourself.

    Whether the fetus feels pain or not, is not the point. He is a human being!
    He has every right like you and I.
    The definition of a person: a human being regarded as an individual. That isn't quite the same thing as just human.
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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    But we'll have less if more low IQ women abortion, right?
    Yes, and we will also have fewer criminals too. The overall crime rate began to decline after 1980. The rate of violent crime began to decline after 1991. Many potential violent street criminals who would have been in their late teens in 1992 had been aborted after the Roe vs Wade decision.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody1875 View Post
    Hello! I've been researching a lot about abortions and such recently, trying to formulate a coherent and consistent opinion on the matter, and I'd like to see how my current stance holds up to scrutiny. My opinions are:

    A fetus in the womb is undeniably human.
    It may mostly look like a baby, just really small.
    It may have its own DNA, and be a separate entity from the mother.
    It may have a heartbeat.
    It is alive.
    However, it does not, nor should it, have personhood and rights.
    "Alive" should not automatically mean "person".
    The capacity to suffer should be the determining factor of personhood.
    Non-human animals are not considered a "person" because even though they are alive, they do not have the self-awareness and capacity to suffer as a human does.
    My dog is alive, but is not a "person".
    The cow that is on my dinner plate in the form of beef was alive, but never a person.
    The tree outside is alive but is not a person.
    Humans have the highest awareness and capacity to suffer, therefore we have the most rights and "personhood".
    The potential for personhood does not equal current personhood.
    Personhood should be granted to the things that suffer from the lack of it, such as self-aware creatures that can feel emotional and or physical pain.

    Therefore, a fetus that is not developed enough to feel pain or suffering does not have personhood. Thus, abortion is not wrong.

    Does this sound like a good argument?
    The best argument for abortion is that a woman has a right to self-determination of her own body... end of story.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody1875 View Post
    The charge depends on how far along the development of the baby is. Some time in the second trimester, the fetus develops enough to feel pain. When that milestone is reached, I think it should have rights, and I think charging the criminal with a double murder is justified. The police and or government should be allowed to press charges. But the specifics should be determined by the affected party and what they decide will give them the most closure. If they don't want to press charges, then they shouldn't have to. If the baby didn't reach person hood yet, but the family wanted the baby, and pressing charges will give them closure, then they should be free to do so.
    Do you believe abortions should also be illegal once in the 2nd trimester?

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    Re: Clarifying

    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    Originally Posted by southwest88
    If everything goes right [in the pregnancy], & there are no outside influences - drugs, alcohol, accident - there are still a substantial number (15 to 25%) of spontaneous miscarriages. (Drugs, BTW, includes things like Thalidomide, as well as doses of recreational drugs; & then there's Fetal Alcohol Syndrome - heavy drinking has enormous & permanent impacts on the fetus.)
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    offspring - No, I was pointing out that fetuses die, sometimes for no apparent reason.

    baby is still human - If a fetus miscarries early on, it's typically for genetic or developmental reasons. In blunter language, the fetus might not even look human. So count your blessings. If the development of the fetus is severely out of phase, the pregnancy likely terminates because communication between the fetal & the woman's biochemistry goes out of synch or fails altogether.
    I'm just taken aback by your statement: "This isn't even true in the physical sense." - your response to what I said that an offspring of a human couple can only be a human.
    I mean, it can't be a dog......or an insect.....it can only be human! It's only logical. And....
    I think biology will support me on that.


    All people die, at different stages in life (for various reasons) - a toddler, a pre-adolescent, at puberty, at pre-teen stage, or adulthood.....and lots die from old age! Some have congenital conditions, some are stricken with rare diseases.

    Therefore, it's just part of life that some unborn die (at various stages of development, too).
    Some even die at childbirth.
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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Idiometer View Post
    The definition of a person: a human being regarded as an individual. That isn't quite the same thing as just human.


    You're an individual. Are you a human? yes or no.




    Definition of individual
    c : being an individual or existing as an indivisible whole


    a particular being or thing as distinguished from a class, species, or collection: such as
    (1) : a single human being as contrasted with a social group or institution
    : a particular person


    Indivisible | Definition of Indivisible by Merriam-Webster

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