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    Re: Clarifying

    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    an offspring of a human couple can only be a human. - Yah, the underlying template may have started out human. But I gave you the examples of fetuses affected by Thalidomide, by other drugs (opiates, usually), excessive alcohol. & bear in mind that in these cases, you only see the relatively mild outcomes - the seriously impacted fetuses typically die in utero, or were delivered dead. It's like someone who dies of cancer - cancer is apparently an unregulated growth issue - & you can ask the same question: Is the resulting cancer mass human? I tend to think not, because it kills the host, & therefore whatever agenda cancer may have, it's not to facilitate the life or health of the host.

    All people die - Here, I'll go you orders of magnitude better: TMK, everything dies. Individuals, families, worlds, solar systems, galaxies, the universe (we think - there's still some discussion about whether the universe cycles endlessly, or not). Anything that does not die, we provisionally call God, or @ least a saint (possibly an angel, it's not really my field) - & of course, other religions have other categories. & Christianity typically considers the soul to be immortal, so that's our link to the eternal.
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    They do this very commonly, the pro-life people.

    When they realize that their religious beliefs (for most) are not legally binding or persuasive, they look for something concrete on which to make a "solid" argument...so they look to science.

    They believe that science decides it all...human DNA. And yet, science is completely objective, it applies no value, does not take individuals or society into consideration. Value and morals are subjective.

    So the science aspect has nothing to do with ethics or morality...those are applied *subjectively*.
    In other words, 'science' is the only solid thing they think they can grasp in the argument...yet it's not. Morals, values, laws are based on subjective and objective criteria and are themselves *subjective.* They want a black and white means to end abortion...and it's not possible.
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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    The fetus is a person at the time of conception!
    No, it is not. That is FACT.



    How weird is that you're willing to grant personhood - in other words, you're going to categorize a
    non-human as human, and yet you're saying the offspring of a human couple can only be deemed human
    at a certain point?
    Why are you lying about him? He did not say it's not human before a certain point. He said it's not a person.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    No, it is not. That is FACT.





    Why are you lying about him? He did not say it's not human before a certain point. He said it's not a person.
    A person is a human. And, vice versa. That's a fact.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    A person is a human. And, vice versa. That's a fact.
    Its hilarious you think dishonesty like this will work and trying to change the lies you got caught posting already. LMAO
    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    The fetus is a person at the time of conception!
    Again why post so many lies?
    in the future maybe actually know about a subject before posting about it. That way your posts wont be exposed for how monumentally uneducated they are on a certain topic and multiple posters wont completely kick the **** out of them for all to see. You're welcome
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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    No, it is not. That is FACT.





    Why are you lying about him? He did not say it's not human before a certain point. He said it's not a person.
    Thank you! I'm glad my point was understood by others. At this point, I'm not going to engage this person anymore because I just don't think my point is going to get through lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    A person is a human. And, vice versa. That's a fact.
    You'd best not go to the US Supreme Court to make that argument. Person in law is a carefully defined category, & the fetus (in Roe v. Wade) doesn't qualify as a person in the legal sense until it's born.

    You're entitled to your personal opinion, of course. But when you present to the Supreme Court, they're not noted for patience. They expect whoever comes before them to argue a case to be competent, & to understand law & legal terminology. If you don't meet the criteria, you'd likely get very short shrift from the court.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    A person is a human. And, vice versa. That's a fact.
    This is a forum where we discuss the laws revolving around abortion.

    If you want to be understood by the other side, the correct terminology would be helpful.

    Person in the eyes of the law is not a fetus. You may want personhood amendments to go through, but that does not make it true.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    A person is a human. And, vice versa. That's a fact.
    Personhood happens at live birth. FACT.

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    Re: Argument in favor of pro-choice/abortion

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    You made a false claim. Stand your ground laws do NOT allow you to shoot someone just for stepping on your land. Almost everyone knows this...
    Yes, they do actually. Maybe not in broad daylight if some kids ball rolls into your yard, but if there's any doubt whatsoever that you were legitimately scared for any reason you can and will get away with it. There are countless examples of overzealous husbands and fathers accidentally shooting their wives or children because they thought it was someone breaking into their home. Then men are almost never charged with anything.
    Obstruction of Justice also applies to overt coercion of court or government officials via the means of threats or actual physical harm and also applying to deliberate sedition against a court official to undermine the appearance of legitimate authority.

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