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[W:560] Abortion 101

Lursa said:
So I have not seen your argument supporting your statement. You keep claiming you have supported it...but all you have done is 'proclaim your opinion.'

That is why I keep asking: who says?

Can you or can you not support your opinion with an actual argument? Claiming your opinion on the subject is "self-evident' or 'axiomatic' is the opposite of argument :roll:

"How is it self-evident that all human life is entitled to a right to life?"
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You don't understand the concept, period. Let it go.
 
AGENT J said:
not surprising but your lack of understanding is not my concern.
Fact remains morals are subjective hence your OP complete fails and has been destroyed by facts and multiple posters for the factually wrong nonsense it is. If you disagree then simply post one fact that makes the lies in your OP true. thanks!



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It doesn't matter one bit whether morality is subjective or objective.
 
Angel said:
You don't understand the concept, period. Let it go.
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Ah! I see. You cant support your proclaimed opinion, so now..."I dont understand."

:roll:

I'd say that's a total fail for your argument on the morality of the issue then.



"How is it self-evident that all human life is entitled to a right to life?"
 
Angel said:
It doesn't matter one bit whether morality is subjective or objective.
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LMAO
Yes we know you FEEL that way but facts disagree with your retarded opinions hence your OP complete fails and has been destroyed by facts and multiple posters for the factually wrong nonsense it is. If you disagree then simply post one fact that makes the lies in your OP true. thanks!
 
Lursa said:
Ah! I see. You cant support your proclaimed opinion, so now..."I dont understand."

:roll:

I'd say that's a total fail for your argument on the morality of the issue then.
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Say anything you like. You don't understand what you would love to criticize and appear frustrated. I've answered all your questions, post links to help you with the foreign philosophical concepts, corrected your misrepresentations of my argument many times. Say anything you like. It's all on record.
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO
Yes we know you FEEL that way but facts disagree with your retarded opinions hence your OP complete fails and has been destroyed by facts and multiple posters for the factually wrong nonsense it is. If you disagree then simply post one fact that makes the lies in your OP true. thanks!
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Keep on keeping on, J.
 
Angel said:
Say anything you like. You don't understand what you would love to criticize and appear frustrated. I've answered all your questions, post links to help you with the foreign philosophical concepts, corrected your misrepresentations of my argument many times. Say anything you like. It's all on record.
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Hey...we supported our *opinions* that it's not self-evident and there is no moral argument for the unborn to be entitled to rights.

Minnie provided John Locke's statement based on natural rights.

I provided examples that many courts and all (non-religious) human rights organizations also dont agree with you.

Those are clear *proof* that your proclaimed opinion is not self-evident and proves that your moral stance is indeed completely subjective and not agreed upon.
 
Angel said:
Keep on keeping on, J.
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thanks, dont worry i will! I always love kicking the **** of your retarded lies and using facts to prove them wrong!

Fact remains morals are subjective so your OP fails and has been factually proven wrong.

Please let us know when can post one fact to support your failed claims or when you can also make a post based on honesty, facts and integrity and simply admit the OP is factually wrong. THANKS!
 
Lursa said:
Hey...we supported our *opinions* that it's not self-evident and there is no moral argument for the unborn to be entitled to rights.

Minnie provided John Locke's statement based on natural rights.

I provided examples that many courts and all (non-religious) human rights organizations also dont agree with you.

Those are clear *proof* that your proclaimed opinion is not self-evident and proves that your moral stance is indeed completely subjective and not agreed upon.
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I posted an argument. You are posting talking points.
 
AGENT J said:
thanks, dont worry i will! I always love kicking the **** of your retarded lies and using facts to prove them wrong!

Fact remains morals are subjective so your OP fails and has been factually proven wrong.

Please let us know when can post one fact to support your failed claims or when you can also make a post based on honesty, facts and integrity and simply admit the OP is factually wrong. THANKS!
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Getting close to flaming there, big fella. Have an interesting evening.
 
Angel said:
Getting close to flaming there, big fella. Have an interesting evening.
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LMAO once again your feelings and opinions are not facts and deflections like this will fail just like your OP did. :)
Please let us know when can post one fact to support your failed claims or when you can also make a post based on honesty, facts and integrity and simply admit the OP is factually wrong. THANKS!
 
Angel said:
I posted an argument. You are posting talking points.
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Hey, if you would answer the question and support your argument, rather than just your proclamation of your opinion, I'd be happy to continue an argument.

But you refuse (intentionally I'm sure at this point) to answer my question which is significant in enabling further argument.

"How is it self-evident that all human life is entitled to a right to life?" Who says?

Please answer this and I'm happy to continue the argument. No one can argue with someone who just proclaims they are right...which I'm guessing you know and pretend is 'your argument.' And argument is not a proclamation.

Factually, it's not self-evident since a myriad of human societal constructs (natural rights, American courts, human rights orgs) DO NOT agree with you.

LOL...do all these societal constructs have immoral views on the entitlement of the unborn to be born?
 
AGENT J said:
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Please let us know when can post one fact to support your failed claims or when you can also make a post based on honesty, facts and integrity and simply admit the OP is factually wrong. THANKS!
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Sure. I'll PM you.
 
Angel said:
Sure. I'll PM you.
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no thanks, in fact do not ever PM me, you do not have my permission. lol
just a simply post here with one fact in it is all we need so far almost 400 posts in you havent been able to back up your op with one single fact, but please let u know when you can, thanks!
 
Angel said:
It doesn't matter one bit whether morality is subjective or objective.
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Yes it matters very much the morality of an issue cannot be settled because morals re subjective.
 
AGENT J said:
no thanks, in fact do not ever PM me, you do not have my permission. lol
just a simply post here with one fact in it is all we need so far almost 400 posts in you havent been able to back up your op with one single fact, but please let u know when you can, thanks!
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That was a joke, J. You're always laughing your ass off and so I naturally assumed you had a sense of humor, man. Apologies.
 
Angel said:
That was a joke, J. You're always laughing your ass off and so I naturally assumed you had a sense of humor, man. Apologies.
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where did i say it wasnt a joke? hey look another failed assumption and strawman LMAO to easy:lamo
just a simply post here with one fact in it is all we need so far almost 400 posts in you havent been able to back up your op with one single fact, but please let u know when you can, thanks!
 
minnie616 said:
Access to birth Control and/or abortion is a moral good.
When women /couples are able to choose their own futures and decide if and when they’re ready to start a family it is a moral good
It is a moral good for families and a moral good for society as a whole.
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I should add, since there seems to be some confusion among the Pro-Choice posters to this thread, that your assertions of moral goods are all compatible with my moral argument in the OP. I find your series of "moral goods" quite congenial. My Pro-Life/Pro-Choice argument in the OP is not in tension with these obvious social goods.
 
AGENT J said:
where did i say it wasnt a joke? hey look another failed assumption and strawman LMAO to easy:lamo
just a simply post here with one fact in it is all we need so far almost 400 posts in you havent been able to back up your op with one single fact, but please let u know when you can, thanks!
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Oh dear! Did I miss your joke then? My bad.
 
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