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Heartbeat Abortion Bill

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Heartbeat Bill - which makes abortion illegal if a heartbeat is detected (usually around 6-7 weeks) - how many states have this now? Sure, they can be challenged in court - but, they'll eventually end up in the Supreme Court!



Ohio's new governor says he'll sign 'heartbeat' abortion bill that Kasich vetoed


Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said Wednesday that he will “absolutely” sign a controversial “heartbeat bill” that former Gov. John Kasich vetoed last month. The proposal would make abortions illegal once a fetal heartbeat can be detected.

DeWine, a Republican who took office last week after his election victory in November, told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on his show that he recognizes the challenges the bill will face from groups such as Planned Parenthood once it is signed into law.

“But ultimately, this will work its way up to the United States Supreme Court,” DeWine told Hewitt. “And they’ll make that decision.”

Ohio'''s new governor says he'''ll sign '''heartbeat''' abortion bill that Kasich vetoed | Fox News
 
Heartbeat Bill - which makes abortion illegal if a heartbeat is detected (usually around 6-7 weeks) - how many states have this now? Sure, they can be challenged in court - but, they'll eventually end up in the Supreme Court!




Ohio'''s new governor says he'''ll sign '''heartbeat''' abortion bill that Kasich vetoed | Fox News

It is really a shame that people insist on trying to control other people's personal lives... I am sure that this law will be struck down too...
 
Ahhhh......pandering to the base.....gotta make sure to keep their intrest for 2020.
 
Heartbeat Bill - which makes abortion illegal if a heartbeat is detected (usually around 6-7 weeks) - how many states have this now? Sure, they can be challenged in court - but, they'll eventually end up in the Supreme Court!

It failed in Iowa. The governor knew it wasnt even Constitutional. He and like-minded legislators lied to Iowans and wasted tax $ in order to *attempt* to pass something unConstitutional. I hope their voters recognize this and vote them out next round.

The governor also decided that they would not try and take the bill to the Supreme Court. He admitted he knew it wasnt Constitutional. So, it's dead in Iowa. Any other state that would try to follow suit would also be lying to their constituents and wasting their time and $.

So this Ohio gov. is just as much a liar as the other. He also knows it's not Constitutional...he's just pandering. And look at you suck it right up.
 
It is really a shame that people insist on trying to control other people's personal lives... I am sure that this law will be struck down too...


And.....the usual suspects get all excited! Jumpin' like fleas! :mrgreen:

The days of senseless loud noises, are over! That doesn't work anymore. It's old tactics.



It's really a shame that people insist so hard on trying to........... murder the innocent.
For selfish reason(s)!

Just like all states who passed this bill, I'm curiously waiting for it to get to the Supreme Court..................

..........and see if it's constitutional to murder a human being at any particular stage of life he's in.
 
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It failed in Iowa. The governor knew it wasnt even Constitutional. He and like-minded legislators lied to Iowans and wasted tax $ in order to *attempt* to pass something unConstitutional. I hope their voters recognize this and vote them out next round.

The governor also decided that they would not try and take the bill to the Supreme Court. He admitted he knew it wasnt Constitutional. So, it's dead in Iowa. Any other state that would try to follow suit would also be lying to their constituents and wasting their time and $.

So this Ohio gov. is just as much a liar as the other. He also knows it's not Constitutional...he's just pandering. And look at you suck it right up.
:roll:

There's a reason why there is such a thing called a........... Supreme Court.

Right?

Tell me you understand why.
 
What seems to be lost to these knee-jerkers is that some states, do want it to be challenged.........

........ so it can work its way to the Supreme Court!
 
It is really a shame that people insist on trying to control other people's personal lives... I am sure that this law will be struck down too...

Yeah you mean like killing them before they have a chance at having a personal life. That's the ultimate form of control over someone. The ability to kill them if you want. Akin to many serial killers who cite control as their blood lust to kill.
 
Yeah you mean like killing them before they have a chance at having a personal life. That's the ultimate form of control over someone. The ability to kill them if you want. Akin to many serial killers who cite control as their blood lust to kill.

A zef is not a someone.
 
If I understand the US legal system correctly, even if it went to the Supreme Court, the SC would have to rule against it, as it goes against RvW.
 
:roll:

There's a reason why there is such a thing called a........... Supreme Court.

Right?

Tell me you understand why.

Yup...and if you're fine with your representatives knowingly wasting time and $$ proposing and passing legislation that they know is unConstitutional ....well, that's you. I find that kind of pandering and dishonesty to be sinful and would be embarrassed to be sucked into believing them.
 
What seems to be lost to these knee-jerkers is that some states, do want it to be challenged.........

........ so it can work its way to the Supreme Court!

No heartbeat bill will pass once SCOTUS examines it.

Unless you believe that SCOTUS will rule that the unborn have rights that supersede women's? (And they've already examined that more than once and ruled...conservative courts.)
 
And.....the usual suspects get all excited! Jumpin' like fleas! :mrgreen:

The days of senseless loud noises, are over! That doesn't work anymore. It's old tactics.



It's really a shame that people insist so hard on trying to........... murder the innocent.
For selfish reason(s)!

Just like all states who passed this bill, I'm curiously waiting for it to get to the Supreme Court..................

..........and see if it's constitutional to murder a human being at any particular stage of life he's in.

Murder requires a person... a fetus is not a person. What can I help you with next?

PROUDLY!

This days.....that seems to be what separates us from.....animals.

We are animals and do you actually get what Talibornian actually refers to?
 
Yeah you mean like killing them before they have a chance at having a personal life. That's the ultimate form of control over someone. The ability to kill them if you want. Akin to many serial killers who cite control as their blood lust to kill.

You sound really emotional about your inability to control women's lives...
 
You sound pissed about not being able to kill the unborn. Tell us why.

Wrong. I am very happy that the unborn are allowed to be killed... what makes you emotional about not being able to control women?
 
Wrong. I am very happy that the unborn are allowed to be killed... what makes you emotional about not being able to control women?
Im not controlling women at all, they are free to do what they want with their bodies.
 
If I understand the US legal system correctly, even if it went to the Supreme Court, the SC would have to rule against it, as it goes against RvW.

Who would've thought for this to happen?


Supreme Court rules on narrow grounds for baker who refused to create same-sex couple's wedding cake
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...es-against-gay-wedding-exemptions/1052989001/


I'm curious how this heartbeat bill will turn out when it reaches the Supreme Court.
We'll just have to wait and see. :shrug:
 
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Murder requires a person... a fetus is not a person. What can I help you with next?

Blah-blah-blah.....that's a stale silly argument!
Only someone who is logically impaired will use that for an argument! :lol:




We are animals and do you actually get what Talibornian actually refers to?

Don't we call a psycopath, animal?

"Talibornian" or "Talibornagain," is a juvenile slur - thinking it shames a Christian. :roll:
Well.....not this Christian.
 
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Im not controlling women at all, they are free to do what they want with their bodies.

Our US Constitution and the due process clause gives women the right to privacy and a legal abortion before viability.

From the following Live Science article:

Constitutional rights

The right to privacy often means the right to personal autonomy, or the right to choose whether or not to engage in certain acts or have certain experiences. Several amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been used in varying degrees of success in determining a right to personal autonomy:

The First Amendment protects the privacy of beliefs

The Third Amendment protects the privacy of the home against the use of it for housing soldiers
The Fourth Amendment protects privacy against unreasonable searches
The Fifth Amendment protects against self-incrimination, which in turn protects the privacy of personal information
The Ninth Amendment says that the "enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." This has been interpreted as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.


The right to privacy is most often cited in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, which states:


No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

However, the protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.


For example, the Supreme Court first recognized that the various Bill of Rights guarantees creates a "zone of privacy" in Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 ruling that upheld marital privacy and struck down bans on contraception.

Read more:

Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws
 
Im not controlling women at all, they are free to do what they want with their bodies.

All good then... women are free to abort as they see fit.
 
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