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Here is a pro life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extend I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a pro life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extend I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
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This sounds like a heart breaking nightmare.

Any pro-lifers wanna call this out, or are you good with how you're being represented here?
 
This is disgusting!
 
planned parenthood will not go bankrupt.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a pro life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extend I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
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This is from the PP site regarding effectiveness of medication abortion

For people who are 8 weeks pregnant or less, it works about 94-98 out of 100 times.
For people who are 8-9 weeks pregnant, it works about 94-96 out of 100 times.
For people who are 9-10 weeks pregnant, it works about 91-93 out of 100 times.

The Abortion Pill | Get the Facts About Medication Abortion

So what is their case?

Do you understand that medications in general have failure rates?
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a pro life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extend I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
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where is the victory for ANYBODY here let alone prolife . . .

seems like a tragedy and seems like another reason to to stop the nonsensical fight against PP to limit there ability to care for people. Theres no reason this couple should of had to travel like that.
I hope this family gets the medical support they need in the future and more false road blocks arent set up
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a pro-life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extent I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
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Pro-Choice here to side with PP as the risk of the procedure failing is made known to the patients and they sign a waiver. PP would only owe a patient if negligence were evident, which it is not in this case.

I'm sorry things didn't turn out the way the patient wanted, but this is the reality of modern medicine. Now that a child is a person, adoption is available if they don't want to rais it.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Pro-Choice here to side with PP as the risk of the procedure failing is made known to the patients and they sign a waiver. PP would only owe a patient if negligence were evident, which it is not in this case.

I'm sorry things didn't turn out the way the patient wanted, but this is the reality of modern medicine. Now that a child is a person, adoption is available if they don't want to rais it.
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Agreed.

The premise of the OP is that every time that a medication fails to produce the desired result, the patient should sue to put the company out existence.

My guess is that every medication has an expected failure rate.

Dear OP, good luck to you and your family when you try to get chemotherapy. Any drug with any kind of expected failure rate will be sued out of existence. THAT is what the OP is cheering for.

Extrapolate that and good luck getting treated for anything.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a pro life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extend I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
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Still waiting for the OP to explain why this is a Pro-life victory.

How can they expect to sue PP "into bankruptcy"?

What will the suit be "wrongful life"?
 
OlNate said:
This sounds like a heart breaking nightmare.

Any pro-lifers wanna call this out, or are you good with how you're being represented here?
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Not for the child, ask it in 30 years when it has got kids if he or she are glad they were not aborted.
 
perthbum said:
Not for the child, ask it in 30 years when it has got kids if he or she are glad they were not aborted.
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Yes, I'm sure the child will be happy and well adjusted, knowing it was at the center of a news article and court case as a failed abortion. What was I thinking, they should make a Mother's Day movie out of this.

FFS
 
OlNate said:
Yes, I'm sure the child will be happy and well adjusted, knowing it was at the center of a news article and court case as a failed abortion. What was I thinking, they should make a Mother's Day movie out of this.

FFS
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hmmmmm, are you glad you were born and enjoying life or do you wish your life was terminated before you witnessed the birth of your first child, your childs first day at school, spoke at your son or daughters wedding, held your first grandchild.....hhhhmmmmm
 
perthbum said:
hmmmmm, are you glad you were born and enjoying life or do you wish your life was terminated before you witnessed the birth of your first child, your childs first day at school, spoke at your son or daughters wedding, held your first grandchild.....hhhhmmmmm
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I mean, I see your double "hmmmmm", but not sure this was as impactful as you think.

You're describing the expected milestones in a happy, well adjusted life, as if every child who manages to survive an abortion goes on to be adopted by Martha Stewart and Mr. Rogers. More likely is a future of poverty, abuse, rejection, most likely a single parent arrangement, and the lifelong knowledge that your parents tried to kill you.

Sure, a few will use that to empower themselves, and rise above all that, but of course we know that's the outlier.

I don't think your argument is effective because very few lives in this scenario will work out in the Mary Poppins fashion you have described.
 
OlNate said:
This sounds like a heart breaking nightmare.

Any pro-lifers wanna call this out, or are you good with how you're being represented here?
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I don't know how this couple is somehow supposed to represent me or anyone else who is pro-life. They sought an abortion, a pro-choice decision rather than a pro-life one.

My cynical side says this is a money-grab, but I think it's fair to consider that what happened might be malpractice. Disclaimer: I am not an attorney and may be using the wrong term.
 
nota bene said:
I don't know how this couple is somehow supposed to represent me or anyone else who is pro-life. They sought an abortion, a pro-choice decision rather than a pro-life one.

My cynical side says this is a money-grab, but I think it's fair to consider that what happened might be malpractice. Disclaimer: I am not an attorney and may be using the wrong term.
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It is being called a "pro-Life victory" in the OP. That was what I was talking about. If you are pro-Life, do you feel this was a victory?
 
OlNate said:
It is being called a "pro-Life victory" in the OP. That was what I was talking about. If you are pro-Life, do you feel this was a victory?
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No information is provided in the article about the 2-year old's health now, only that he was born a month early, "jaundiced and ill."

He is alive, so this is a victory for this innocent child. I wonder how he will feel about his parents suing because he didn't die and whether he is treated as "the unwanted one." I wonder why his parents, once he was born, didn't thank God for the "failure."
 
nota bene said:
No information is provided in the article about the 2-year old's health now, only that he was born a month early, "jaundiced and ill."

He is alive, so this is a victory for this innocent child. I wonder how he will feel about his parents suing because he didn't die and whether he is treated as "the unwanted one." I wonder why his parents, once he was born, didn't thank God for the "failure."
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I don't want to get preachy, but I don't think there is any way to spin this to be a "victory" for the Pro-Life movement. Maybe for the little one, but I wonder if they'll feel that way, and that wonder is heart breaking enough on it's own.

Nah, Bene, I stick with my original statement...no matter what side you come down on, this should be a heart breaking story. I would suggest to those who think it isn't that they ought to employ a bit of empathy and compassion in their activism and opinion forming.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a pro life victory. An abortion attempt that failed. The family is now suing Planned Parenthood and to some extend I hope they win and sue PP into bankruptcy although on the other hand I don't want them to be rewarded for trying to abort a living child. Also, they should not be raising this child they tried to abort, the child should be taken out of their custody. I couldn't imagine a child wanting to be raised by a mom and dad that tried to have them aborted. Here is the article.
Couple sues Planned Parenthood for child support after failed abortion | Fox News
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nota bene said:
I don't know how this couple is somehow supposed to represent me or anyone else who is pro-life. They sought an abortion, a pro-choice decision rather than a pro-life one.

My cynical side says this is a money-grab, but I think it's fair to consider that what happened might be malpractice. Disclaimer: I am not an attorney and may be using the wrong term.
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The premise of this thread suggest that the Planned Parenthood could be sued into bankruptcy.

Since most (if not all) medications have failure rates it seems that the poster does not understand that the same "logic" would mean that no drug company would take any chance on any drug ever.

Can you imagine demanding 100 percent efficacy? No cancer treatment would ever exist!!!

This is from the PP website

How effective is the abortion pill?
The abortion pill is very effective. The effectiveness depends on how far along you are in your pregnancy when you take the medicine.

For people who are 8 weeks pregnant or less, it works about 94-98 out of 100 times.
For people who are 8-9 weeks pregnant, it works about 94-96 out of 100 times.
For people who are 9-10 weeks pregnant, it works about 91-93 out of 100 times.
The abortion pill usually works, but if it doesn’t, you can take more medicine or have an in-clinic abortion to complete the abortion.

The Abortion Pill | Get the Facts About Medication Abortion

While the prolife side may find comfort in the fact that a baby was not aborted.....

What they want (PP to be sued into bankruptcy over this issue) would more likely be a suit to a drug company......and do you REALLY want drug companies to only produce medications that are 100 percent effective? Nice dream, but the reality of suing them over being one of the expected failures may have unexpected consequences.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
every business can go bankrupt if they're not wise with money.
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How does that pertain to this thread?

The premise is that a drug with a known failure rate....in this instance, failed.

If anyone is sued, it would be the drug company. And they would have to show that the posted failure rate was outside of expectations.

Can you imagine if every chemo drug did not cure cancer...and every company was to compensate the patient/family for every failure?:lamo
 
OlNate said:
I don't want to get preachy, but I don't think there is any way to spin this to be a "victory" for the Pro-Life movement. Maybe for the little one, but I wonder if they'll feel that way, and that wonder is heart breaking enough on it's own.

Nah, Bene, I stick with my original statement...no matter what side you come down on, this should be a heart breaking story. I would suggest to those who think it isn't that they ought to employ a bit of empathy and compassion in their activism and opinion forming.
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I didn't say that this is a victory for anybody except the 2-year old boy. I don't think it's a victory otherwise. I mean, please--suing because your abortion failed?

But hey, we live in a litigious age, so why not?
 
OlNate said:
I mean, I see your double "hmmmmm", but not sure this was as impactful as you think.

You're describing the expected milestones in a happy, well adjusted life, as if every child who manages to survive an abortion goes on to be adopted by Martha Stewart and Mr. Rogers. More likely is a future of poverty, abuse, rejection, most likely a single parent arrangement, and the lifelong knowledge that your parents tried to kill you.

Sure, a few will use that to empower themselves, and rise above all that, but of course we know that's the outlier.

I don't think your argument is effective because very few lives in this scenario will work out in the Mary Poppins fashion you have described.
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I think most will be positive lives.
 
nota bene said:
I didn't say that this is a victory for anybody except the 2-year old boy. I don't think it's a victory otherwise. I mean, please--suing because your abortion failed?

But hey, we live in a litigious age, so why not?
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Well, here is the harm. What if every cancer patient (or their next of kin) sued the pharmaceutical company and MD and clinic because a drug with an expected failure rate failed?

Can you see the harm?

Damn......this thread is making me support the pharmaceutical industry. I feel a bit dirty,:lamo
 
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