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Why is abortion acceptable?

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marke said:
75,000 pregnant women experienced health problems during pregnancy that year, and 360,000 unborn babies died that year. That seems horrifically imbalanced.
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Except abortion is about aborting ZEF's, most even in the earliest stages of pregnancy. No babies are involved because they are zygotes or embryos, not babies.
 
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Lursa said:
That doesnt change the fact that every single pregnancy is a risk to the mother's life. And it cant be predicted or prevented.
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True. There are health risks which threaten pregnant women.
 
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Lursa said:
Please list the negative effects of abortion on society.

(Hint: There are none)
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Murder has no negative effects on society? I do not agree. Here is what God said concerning the violent deaths of the unborn:

22. If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit (fetus) depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall surely be punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life.
 Exodus 21.
 
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Lursa said:
Why would it? Pro-choice=women can keep all her pregnancies and have all the kids she wants if she chooses.
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Men: Have the right to ask their wives what they want.

Women: Have the right to make their own decisions.

Unborn babies: Have no frikken rights whatsoever.
 
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Lursa said:
Abortion is 14 times safer than pregnancy/childbirth. It's a safer, legal option for all women.

Why on earth wouldnt...shouldnt...a woman choose that over having a child she cant afford or cant take care of? Life is risky...for the unborn too. nearly 25% are miscarried anyway. There's no guarantee for any of us.


From Reuters:

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Getting a legal abortion is much safer than giving birth, suggests a new U.S. study published Monday.

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.


Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters​
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Can't get much more clear about who values the unborn more than women than pointing this out and seeing the responses.​
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A lot depends on whether or not the woman is concerned about what God thinks about the slaughter of innocent unborn babies.
 
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year2late said:
Do you think this ignorant hyperbolic crap does any good?
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What? Do you think a mother loves her unborn baby even as she hires a butcher to take the baby's life?
 
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marke said:
Let's face it. Some women want their babies dead.
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So do some men. It is well known Fat Donald Trump begged Marla Maples to abort his very own daughter, Tiffany. Where is your outrage regarding this ?
 
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marke said:
What? Do you think a mother loves her unborn baby even as she hires a butcher to take the baby's life?
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Nobody is butchering a baby. Abortions happen to an embryo or fetus,
 
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marke said:
He is. That's why I am here.
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Interesting that you fail to understand that are Pro-choice individuals whose church accepts abortion (there are many....even Christian) who say the same thing.

Ask Minnie about it.....
 
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Logician Man said:
So do some men. It is well known Fat Donald Trump begged Marla Maples to abort his very own daughter, Tiffany. Where is your outrage regarding this ?
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I don't approve of anyone condoning, supporting, or conspiring to commit murder of the unborn, not even Trump. That is about as outraged as I get towards that widespread sin in America.
 
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year2late said:
Nobody is butchering a baby. Abortions happen to an embryo or fetus,
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Except abortions which end the life of a viable unborn baby which is living in its mother's womb during the third trimester of her pregnancy.
 
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year2late said:
Nobody is butchering a baby. Abortions happen to an embryo or fetus,
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And older unborn babies you failed to mention. Governor Northam did not fail to mention them this year, however, and Obama did not fail to mention them while a member of the Illinois state senate.
 
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year2late said:
Interesting that you fail to understand that are Pro-choice individuals whose church accepts abortion (there are many....even Christian) who say the same thing.

Ask Minnie about it.....
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God did not direct me to go to those churches for His guidance and understanding of His will and His Word.
 
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marke said:
Except abortions which end the life of a viable unborn baby which is living in its mother's womb during the third trimester of her pregnancy.
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Correction: Those are viable fetuses, not viable babies....educate yourself on the subjects of biology and abortion.
 
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marke said:
Murder has no negative effects on society? I do not agree. Here is what God said concerning the violent deaths of the unborn:

22. If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit (fetus) depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall surely be punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life.
 Exodus 21.
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Fruit departing from womb means miscarriage and covered by a fine.

The mischief is if the wife were further injured.
 
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marke said:
Men: Have the right to ask their wives what they want.

Women: Have the right to make their own decisions.

Unborn babies: Have no frikken rights whatsoever.
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Actually , men have a lot of say.

From Association for Interdisciplinary Research in Values and Social Change
One study found that 44% of husbands instigated the abortion decision. 2 If the couple is dependent on the wife’s income to supplement the household budget, a new baby is often seen by the man primarily in terms of the negative impact it will have on the family’s finances. Or he may not be willing to see his wife’s attention diverted away from himself as she cares for the young child.
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lifeissues.net | The Effects of Abortion on Marriage and Other Committed Relationships
 
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marke said:
Except abortions which end the life of a viable unborn baby which is living in its mother's womb during the third trimester of her pregnancy.
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About 100 abortions past 24 weeks take place a year in the US.

June 17, 2003
...abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation),
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Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics | Fox News


These are extreme cases where..
Either the fetus is non viable and it will be still born or will die within a few minutes or hours , the woman’s life or irreparable damage to a major bodily function of the woman such as ( stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, kidney damage, liver damage, etc) would occur if the pregnancy continued.
 
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marke said:
Wanna bet?
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That’s exactly what it means. When the fruit departed it was either miscarried or stillborn which was covered by a fine.

There was no way to calculate the time a baby was to be born. It was either miscarried , stillborn or born .

They did not know if a baby was early that is was in fact early.


Here is a snip from a 1968 Christianity Today article:
In 1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, encapsulating the consensus among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary,explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

“God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: 'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death' (Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense… Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”
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My Take: When evangelicals were pro-choice – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
 
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And you are God so you know the embryo or fetus was viable?
marke said:
Except abortions which end the life of a viable unborn baby which is living in its mother's womb during the third trimester of her pregnancy.
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minnie616 said:
About 100 abortions past 24 weeks take place a year in the US.
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That number of innocent victims is more than 10 times the number of innocent people killed by Dylan Roof is his rampage and 25 times the number of American heroes murdered in Benghazi under "What the hell difference does it make" Hillary Clinton.
 
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minnie616 said:
That’s exactly what it means. When the fruit departed it was either miscarried or stillborn which was covered by a fine.

There was no way to calculate the time a baby was to be born. It was either miscarried , stillborn or born .

They did not know if a baby was early that is was in fact early.


Here is a snip from a 1968 Christianity Today article:


My Take: When evangelicals were pro-choice – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
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Christianity Today demonstrates that it lacks wisdom from God.
 
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marke said:
Christianity Today demonstrates that it lacks wisdom from God.
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We disagree.

That was consensus among evangelical thinkers then and has been the consensus among many Christian Theologians for thousands of years.
 
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