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Pro-"Life" Movement is a Sham; not a single life saved!

LeastKnownSaint said:
If you want more abortion, be pro-"life." On average, in countries where abortion is prohibited, the abortion rate is 37 per 1,000 pregnancies[1]. In countries where abortion is allowed with no restriction, it is 34 per 1,000 pregnancies. Beyond their talking points, they don't have any credibility, and it is more about punishing women for their sexual activity vs saving lives. If this were true, the pro-"life" movement would have formed to address abortion and NOT solely legal abortion.

I would suggest pro-"lifers" be marginalized from criticizing legal abortion until they can get their own house in order.


1. Guttmacher Institute, Abortion Worldwide 2017: Uneven Progress and Unequal Access, New York: Guttmacher Institute, 2018, Abortion Worldwide 2017: Uneven Progress and Unequal Access | Guttmacher Institute
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That is not really a cause effect argument that you present.

The argument you make can easily be turned to assert either conclusion. Laws legalizing abortion have no impact on behavior and that laws criminalizing abortion have no impact on behavior.
 
Logicman said:
If you think God/Christ are imaginary then you haven't done your homework. Which is why you're ok with the heinous butchery of the innocent unborn.

Let me ask you a question: How large a pile of bloody, aborted babies piled up on your front lawn would it take until your sensibilities were offended?
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If god is all good and powerful, then your god allowing a pile of aborted fetuses anywhere in the world has been morally justified by it.
 
LeastKnownSaint said:
If god is all good and powerful, then your god allowing a pile of aborted fetuses anywhere in the world has been morally justified by it.
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God will wipe out evil in the end. Just read the Book of Revelation.

Until then he's giving people time to repent of their butchery. If they don't they won't have to like what happens in the end.
 
bongsaway said:
The right loves a fetus, it's the kids they don't care for. Where is the adoption agency the GOP pro-lifers created to take care of the actual babies once born? Where are the volunteers to feed and clothe them? Nurture and care for these babies they so desperately didn't want aborted? I'm not saying some don't actually care but I am saying the vast majority of the right is only using abortion as a political weapon from days past since the GOP doesn't actually stand for anything but money and power. Aren't they proving it by disregarding their own constituents ballot initiatives?
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Religious people, ie pro-lifers, are generally more charitable than any other group. The Catholic Church is the paragon of the pro-life movement and not a single entity can even come close to the amount of social welfare and free aid they give out to people in need.

What kind of bull**** argument is this? Sounds like a Facebook meme turned real.

Also, I don't get to demand an alternative from you just because you prohibit me from doing something. "What'ya mean I can't rob a bank? What kind of bull**** is that? Either find another way to get me 10 million dollars or shut the hell up!"
 
Crusader13 said:
Religious people, ie pro-lifers, are generally more charitable than any other group. The Catholic Church is the paragon of the pro-life movement and not a single entity can even come close to the amount of social welfare and free aid they give out to people in need.

What kind of bull**** argument is this? Sounds like a Facebook meme turned real.

Also, I don't get to demand an alternative from you just because you prohibit me from doing something. "What'ya mean I can't rob a bank? What kind of bull**** is that? Either find another way to get me 10 million dollars or shut the hell up!"
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I know all about the catholic church, from growing up catholic to catholic school and in my adult like even working for the catholic church for a few years. The flock was fine, those in charge were btches and prcks.
 
bongsaway said:
I know all about the catholic church, from growing up catholic to catholic school and in my adult like even working for the catholic church for a few years. The flock was fine, those in charge were btches and prcks.
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I agree (being a Catholic myself). That doesn't change the fact that this organization donates and encourages charity more than any other in the world and has been doing so for thousands of years. Kind of silly to try and say they don't care about life or the needy.
 
LeastKnownSaint said:
If the whole point of your movement is to save lives, yet not only do you fail to do so, but have a higher percentage in rate, that is still a massive embarrassment and defeating. That isn’t even including the higher rates of maternal morbidity associated with those laws!

Is this really the discussion you want to have? You are so hooked over a difference in a percentage to not an ideology that has completely failed saving lives.
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I didn't say anything about saving lives or whatever my movement would be...
 
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