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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That analogy doesnt remotely work.

    women own guns...men dont get pregnant.

    OTOH, I believe it's fine if men express their opinions on abortion.
    On the contrary you could say there are some men who get pregnant. Although this is in the vast minority there are people who are born female and then get sex changes and become men. They go through the hormonal procedure to get the sex change but not the surgical procedure so they retain their female parts. They then go on to get pregnant. So depending on how you want to look at it you could say there are some men who do get pregnant.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What minority of men get pregnant?
    See post #31

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    Should women be involved in debates on the military?

    Should women be involved in debates on NASA?

    Should women be involved in debates on off-shore oil drilling?
    I don't see how those questions relate to the topic at hand but I don't have a problem with women being involved in those debates, although such debates do not have anywhere near the passion and controversy of the debates of gun control or abortion.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    They dont match up at all. Millions of women own guns. No men get pregnant.
    Millions? That might be a bit much even when you take the Obama administration into account where you saw a huge increase in women gun owners, but you can also say men get pregnant, see post #31.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    It factually is a yes or no.
    That doesn't mean it isn't loaded.

    For example, this is also technically a yes or no question...

    "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    On the contrary you could say there are some men who get pregnant. Although this is in the vast minority there are people who are born female and then get sex changes and become men. They go through the hormonal procedure to get the sex change but not the surgical procedure so they retain their female parts. They then go on to get pregnant. So depending on how you want to look at it you could say there are some men who do get pregnant.
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    Yes, I have written here in the subforum about such.

    They are still corner cases and for my response, it doesnt matter...I said men should be involved in the debate.

    However I wanted to point out how poorly formulated your attempted analogies were...if someone doesnt agree that men should be involved, this info really has no bearing on it. It's in the realm of medical extremes today.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    See post #31


    I don't see how those questions relate to the topic at hand but I don't have a problem with women being involved in those debates, although such debates do not have anywhere near the passion and controversy of the debates of gun control or abortion.
    You are not very ept at creating or understanding analogies. In all those cases, since you tried to justify women having opinions on gun control since they were the 'minority,' I offered you some additional examples that showed how yours failed. Or maybe it doesnt. If your position is that women should not be involved in gun control debates because they are a minority...then you'd agree with the other analogies I provided and that would be fine as your opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Millions? That might be a bit much even when you take the Obama administration into account where you saw a huge increase in women gun owners, but you can also say men get pregnant, see post #31.
    It's not. About 25% of women own guns and there are 300 million guns in the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    That doesn't mean it isn't loaded.

    For example, this is also technically a yes or no question...

    "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
    Beating her at what?

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not. About 25% of women own guns and there are 300 million guns in the US.
    Alright than whether or not women should be involved in the gun debate, perhaps we should make an exception and say that the 25% of women that do own guns can be involved. So women can get involved in the gun debate only if they themselves own guns. Same thing with men who get pregnant as I pointed out in my previous post.

    Anyway, some of the content in this thread would be better discussed in the gun control folder. I will start a thread there and post the link in this thread.

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    Re: Should men be involved in the abortion debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Alright than whether or not women should be involved in the gun debate, perhaps we should make an exception and say that the 25% of women that do own guns can be involved. So women can get involved in the gun debate only if they themselves own guns. Same thing with men who get pregnant as I pointed out in my previous post.

    Anyway, some of the content in this thread would be better discussed in the gun control folder. I will start a thread there and post the link in this thread.
    So then you just redefined AND answered your own OP

    Let's face it, your intended distinction was: since men cant have abortions, should men be allowed to debate that issue. Any % of a gender that can, then changes your OP.

    Now you're ok with 'some %%' for your "analogies" in order to try and prove your own point (or justify your poor analogies, I'm not sure which).
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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