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Just to keep the record straight

Angel said:
I'm pro-life and pro-choice. The moral high ground is mine. You've only got an axe to grind.
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Ah...then you hold a very common position.

Many people would not have an abortion, yet completely support women having the right to choose.

Well done, thanks!
 
A kind of red herring

Logical1 said:
With the argument at a fever pitch lately about abortion, any time a moral person suggests abortion be illegal, look what the left brings up. The left says stop abortion, what about rape? Well a little research reveals that abortions due to rape is less than one half of one percent. Not much of an argument.
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Nah, Roe v. Wade is about privacy, the pregnant woman's right to a medical procedure in the first trimester of pregnancy. This stuff about rape - terrible as that crime is - is just a distraction from the main event, the woman's right to opt for a medical procedure or not.
 
Beginnings are such delicate things

marke said:
Most abortions are about unregenerate adults wanting to escape the responsibilities of raising a child after having engaged in sex just for pleasure.
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No, no, quite the opposite. The whole problem is that the couple in question has managed to generate all too well.

& is sex just for pleasure a bad thing? Is all pleasure a bad thing? Or is it just sex? & if it's just sex, How will the human species reproduce otherwise?
 
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southwest88 said:
No, no, quite the opposite. The whole problem is that the couple in question has managed to generate all too well.

& is sex just for pleasure a bad thing? Is all pleasure a bad thing? Or is it just sex? & if it's just sex, How will the human species reproduce otherwise?
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Sex is OK if kept clean. Murdering unwanted babies is not OK.
 
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marke said:
Sex is OK if kept clean. Murdering unwanted babies is not OK.
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Does clean sex create fewer accidental pregnancies than dirty sex? Please explain!
 
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Lursa said:
Does clean sex create fewer accidental pregnancies than dirty sex? Please explain!
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I have no idea how many pregnancies are the result of immoral sex. I do know if you deliberately stop a beating heart God will want to know why.
 
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marke said:
I have no idea how many pregnancies are the result of immoral sex. I do know if you deliberately stop a beating heart God will want to know why.
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What is 'immoral' sex?
 
Peter King said:
since when is a gun your body?
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Since it's being carried on my body and has nothing at all to do with you. Your life does not change in the slightest if I have a gun in my pocket. You'll never even notice it. So why are you against a personal choice that has to do with only my body and effects nobody else?

Also, if a woman makes a decision to have an abortion, that is a purely personal choice that is 100% about her and her body.
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If a man makes a decision to carry a gun, that is a purely personal choice that is 100% about him and his body.

Guns are a societal issue and not a personal medical decisions
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You argue that abortion protects your life and wellbeing - fine. Guns do the same thing for those carrying them. They're a matter of personal protection and safety. Why are you allowed to do something radical to protect your life, but are against my right to do the same - even when it is protected by the Constitution?

the supreme court has ruled that if you have certain businesses you are banned from discriminating/turning away gays.
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And it has also largely ruled that it is OK to carry guns. So again I ask you - why are you against something which is 100% my personal choice, keeps me safe, and is protected by the Constitution?

What makes you think that you're allowed to have an opinion on my gun, my safety, and my Constitutional right, especially when you don't even own a gun yourself?

Sorry - not your gun, not your body, not your choice.
 
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Angel said:
The argument for a woman's right to choose survives the argument for the immorality of abortion.

Thus, except in cases where the life of the woman is at risk:

Abortion is immoral.
All men and women are free to choose to be immoral as they please.
Therefore, all women are free to choose to be immoral as they please.
Therefore, all women are free to choose to have an abortion.
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Lursa said:
Forcing women to remain pregnant against their will is immoral

Women suffer, women are aware of the physical pain and the disrespect of society, women die and it cannot be prevented.

The unborn suffer no pain, are aware of nothing.

Sorry, abortion is certainly more moral than forcing someone to remain pregnant.
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Angel said:
Sorry, but "forcing someone to remain pregnant" was no part of my brief. Your eagerness to contradict me puts your reply off point here.
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Lursa said:
Of course it's not. You dont want to address it or even acknowlege it.

But it's the truth and it demonstrates clearly that pro-life is not remotely the 'moral' High Ground.
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Angel said:
I'm pro-life and pro-choice. The moral high ground is mine. You've only got an axe to grind.
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Lursa said:
Ah...then you hold a very common position.

Many people would not have an abortion, yet completely support women having the right to choose.

Well done, thanks!
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Ah...then what were you going on about in your replies?
If my view is, as you say, a "common" one, then it ought to have been recognized by an old hand like you.
Please, in future, make sure you understand what I'm saying before you criticize what I'm saying. Thank you.
 
Angel said:
Ah...then what were you going on about in your replies?
If my view is, as you say, a "common" one, then it ought to have been recognized by an old hand like you.
Please, in future, make sure you understand what I'm saying before you criticize what I'm saying. Thank you.
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Feel better now, after all that effort?

I recognize that some other people have egos need that....
 
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marke said:
Stupid thoughtless sex which creates innocent victims.
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Oh, I've never met anyone that has described sex that way. Or read it described that way in any book, fiction or non-fiction.

Cant be very common then.

Is it maybe just your immediate area in NC?
 
Crusader13 said:
Since it's being carried on my body and has nothing at all to do with you. Your life does not change in the slightest if I have a gun in my pocket. You'll never even notice it. So why are you against a personal choice that has to do with only my body and effects nobody else?
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Still saying stupid things I say. Again, a uterus is not like a gun and any sane person would know the difference.

Crusader13 said:
If a man makes a decision to carry a gun, that is a purely personal choice that is 100% about him and his body.
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:lamo You really make no sense do you.

Crusader13 said:
You argue that abortion protects your life and wellbeing - fine. Guns do the same thing for those carrying them. They're a matter of personal protection and safety. Why are you allowed to do something radical to protect your life, but are against my right to do the same - even when it is protected by the Constitution?
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Guns are not a private medical decision about your BODY!!! How difficult is that to understand? Your comparison is nonsense to the max.

Crusader13 said:
And it has also largely ruled that it is OK to carry guns. So again I ask you - why are you against something which is 100% my personal choice, keeps me safe, and is protected by the Constitution?
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Personally I think banning gun ownership is great, for where i live. But that is not being discussed here no matter how nonsensically you trying to interject that here.

Crusader13 said:
What makes you think that you're allowed to have an opinion on my gun, my safety, and my Constitutional right, especially when you don't even own a gun yourself?
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I was talking about BUSINESSES!!!! Not guns, try to stick to reality there.

Crusader13 said:
Sorry - not your gun, not your body, not your choice.
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And more gun nonsense in the abortion thread. Get a room for yourself in the gun forum and not interject stuff in the abortion thread that has nothing to do with personal medical private choices.
 
Many are His attributes

marke said:
I have no idea how many pregnancies are the result of immoral sex. I do know if you deliberately stop a beating heart God will want to know why.
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Just an aside - Theo. 101: If we (Western Civilization) have the definition of God right, He already knows/knew/will know the why. It goes with the territory.

Or are you arguing that West. Civ.'s conception of God is faulty?
 
Peter King said:
Get a room for yourself in the gun forum and not interject stuff in the abortion thread that has nothing to do with personal medical private choices.
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You seem to think that personal medical decisions are the only valid excuse for anything. No. What makes a matter of your wellbeing via a doctor more important than my wellbeing via a gun? At least most gun activists aren't going around demanding other people pay for their guns.
 
Crusader13 said:
You seem to think that personal medical decisions are the only valid excuse for anything. No. What makes a matter of your wellbeing via a doctor more important than my wellbeing via a gun? At least most gun activists aren't going around demanding other people pay for their guns.
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Nonsense.
 
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