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Do you support the proposed abortion legislation in NY?

Do you support the proposed abortion legislation in NY?


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OK. That's the law.

It does kill a child. It kills a child in utero, and extracts it.

No, it ends a pregnancy and an unborn life.

By what authority do you claim that is wrong?

The only people that can support such a belief either a) value the unborn more than the woman carrying it, b) dont care about the woman carrying the unborn (she deserves her consequences....the child is her punishment), or c) havent considered the impacts of their belief on women....all women, those pregnant and those not who would also have their Constitutional rights and bodily sovereignty violated.

So, please answer the above question (in bold) and then also tell me which of the multiple choice answers apply to you? It can be more than one answer.
 
Born, or not yet born, both are human beings.

What authority says that those are equal in rights, morally or legally? As you've been told, science does not apply value, it's objective. So you cant just claim 'biology!'

Why should those of us who see clear distinctions AND consider how the lives of all women in our society would be treated if we believed as you do...be held to your belief?
 
So you wish to punish all New Yorkers because of legislatation that was proposed in NY.

Passed and signed into law. That attitude shows that it's not about 'pro-life' though.
 
What authority says that those are equal in rights, morally or legally? As you've been told, science does not apply value, it's objective. So you cant just claim 'biology!'

Why should those of us who see clear distinctions AND consider how the lives of all women in our society would be treated if we believed as you do...be held to your belief?

How can you place a value on human life?

It wasn't all that long ago some placed a lower value of the life of other humans and a greater value on their own lives.
How is what you are doing any different?
 
1.)How can you place a value on human life?
2.)It wasn't all that long ago some placed a lower value of the life of other humans and a greater value on their own lives.
3.) How is what you are doing any different?

1.) same way you do it, you value the womans life as a lesser, how do you do it?
2.) correct happens all the time and you are doing it now
3.) you tell us how is you valuing the woman as a lesser any different?
 
How can you place a value on human life?

It wasn't all that long ago some placed a lower value of the life of other humans and a greater value on their own lives.
How is what you are doing any different?

They cannot be valued equally. Not legally, not ethically.

Is this something you understand? Yes or no?

By the way...you didnt answer my questions again. Why is that? Wont admit that you dont like how you'd have to honestly answer the tough questions?
 
OK. That's the law.

It does kill a child. It kills a child in utero, and extracts it.

No.
False .
Under US code an unborn is not a human being/child/person/individual.
 
If you are that hell bent on aborting you baby, at least go and get sterilized in the same procedure and be done with it.
Then you can go and have the hedonistic, sexually promiscuous lifestyle you believe will lead to happiness in life.
:shrug:

While not directly said here, it is certainly implied that many opponents of abortion want to punish women they feel are promiscuous by forcing them to bear children.
 
Full text of the legislation here:

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2019/A21

It removes any time limitation on when an abortion can be performed.
It removes abortion from the definition of homicide.
It allows practitioners to perform abortions at any moment of pregnancy as long as they use "good faith" in why they're doing it ("life and health" of the mother). No, they don't define what "health" of the mother is so that's up to the practitioner's interpretation.

What say you? Should the 24 week limit on abortions be erased and be allowed at any moment in the pregnancy as long as the practitioner is acting in "good faith"?

Here is a question. Do they remove the application of murder/homicide/man slaughter statutes regarding said pregnancy. If they do then its a fair, if rather twisted law. Otherwise they are allowing one person to commit infanticide, and another not.
 
Here is a question. Do they remove the application of murder/homicide/man slaughter statutes regarding said pregnancy. If they do then its a fair, if rather twisted law. Otherwise they are allowing one person to commit infanticide, and another not.

The feticide laws and or or the UVVA ( unborn victims of violence act ) reconize abortion is legal.

The law only takes affect if an unborn was killed during a crime against the pregnant woman.
When an unborn is killed during an attack on the woman feticide laws may be used against the attacker.
The attacker is charged with violating the feticide law or the UVVA.

It is important to understand that the UVVA or state feticide laws and Roe vs Wade are not conflicting laws.

Roe v Wade is a SC decision that held that state abortion laws violate the Due process clause in the fourteenth amendment,
which protects individuals against state action that infringes on their privacy.

The UVVA and state feticide laws passed under Roe vs Wade because it explicitly identified "abortion' is an activity that can't be prosecuted when the abortion is obtained with the consent of the pregnant woman or individual authorized to act on her behalf.

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The feticide laws apply only when a crime against the woman was made.

There is no charge during a legal abortion if the woman or her legal representive consented to the abortion because elective abortion is legal under both feticide laws and the UVVA.

All state feticide laws have a clause specifing that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.
 
False .
Under US code an unborn is not a human being/child/person/individual.

Well, if that's the case, then there's no problem at all with tearing the unborn to pieces, and selling off those pieces for profit. Right?
You know. All that stuff that Planned Parenthood does on a daily basis?

No problem in the least, and in fact, it should be societies position to applaud those 'brave' women who aborted their unborn, to courage abortions, to subsidize them (which is in fact being done using public monies). Women that have abortions are the shining examples of what every teenage girl should strive for in their lives. Right?

I just threw up in my mouth)
But that's the narrative that's being pushed by the amoral leftists, and you've volunteered yourself to be counted with them.

Sorry, but I can't support legislation that makes abortions easier to get, later in gestation to get, nor public subsidies for them. Should a women make her legal choice and abort her child, I think the correct response should be sorrow at the loss of life.
 
They cannot be valued equally. Not legally, not ethically.

Is this something you understand? Yes or no?

By the way...you didnt answer my questions again. Why is that? Wont admit that you dont like how you'd have to honestly answer the tough questions?

A human life is not a human life? One human life can have greater value than different human life?

I'm really not in agreement with that idea. Rather surprised that you are supporting that idea.
 
1.) ell, if that's the case, then there's no problem at all with tearing the unborn to pieces, and selling off those pieces for profit. Right?
You know. All that stuff that Planned Parenthood does on a daily basis?

2.) No problem in the least, and in fact, it should be societies position to applaud those 'brave' women who aborted their unborn, to courage abortions, to subsidize them (which is in fact being done using public monies). Women that have abortions are the shining examples of what every teenage girl should strive for in their lives. Right?

3.) I just threw up in my mouth)
4.) But that's the narrative that's being pushed by the amoral leftists, and you've volunteered yourself to be counted with them.

5.) Sorry, but I can't support legislation that makes abortions easier to get, later in gestation to get, nor public subsidies for them. Should a women make her legal choice and abort her child, I think the correct response should be sorrow at the loss of life.

1.) correct i just bought some for to make baby stew and fetus fritters this weekend!!!
2.)agreed, the government sending all my tax money specifically for abortions is awesome . . .i hear the UN is going to give us an award for that!
3.) you did? you probably didnt cook the fetus fritters long enough ill send you a recipe!
4.) yep fetus fritters for all paid for by the government!!! thats what those leftists want!!
5.) whatever that just means more fetus fritters for the rest of us!!!!!! yum yum yum kid sum!!!!

<end sarcasm and a made up post that was just as factually false and dishonest as the post it was responding too) LOL
 
1.)A human life is not a human life?
2.) One human life can have greater value than different human life?
3.) I'm really not in agreement with that idea. Rather surprised that you are supporting that idea.

1.) nobody said that, another post lie in your post fails
2.) obviously since you views factual view the womans human life as a lesser
3.) thats odd since thats the very basis of your stance
 
A human life is not a human life? One human life can have greater value than different human life?

I'm really not in agreement with that idea. Rather surprised that you are supporting that idea.

Repeating yourself over and over after receiving a clear answer shows you cant support your argument.

I face reality and make the tough decision. And I am not ashamed to post it. Life is full of tough decisions, but that doesnt make the choice wrong.

how about you try it? The fact is, born and unborn cannot be treated equally. Not legally, not ethically, not in practice.

So how many time will you avoid answering which you value more? Or denying the fact that they cannot be treated equally?

And then of course this one you also refuse to answer:

By who's authority is all human life to be valued equally? "Who says?"


So no more answers FOR you until you confront the tough questions and answer.
 
Repeating yourself over and over after receiving a clear answer shows you cant support your argument.

I face reality and make the tough decision. And I am not ashamed to post it. Life is full of tough decisions, but that doesnt make the choice wrong.

how about you try it? The fact is, born and unborn cannot be treated equally. Not legally, not ethically, not in practice.

So how many time will you avoid answering which you value more? Or denying the fact that they cannot be treated equally?

And then of course this one you also refuse to answer:

By who's authority is all human life to be valued equally? "Who says?"


So no more answers FOR you until you confront the tough questions and answer.

I'm not presumptuous enough to value one over the other, or to try and force others to do so, but perhaps, for myself, strive to value them equally, as well as striving to value all humans, full stop.

A good example.
Remember when the Seals caught up with Osama Bin Laden? When announced many people took to the streets and cheered. I didn't. I don't believe the death of a human being should be cheered or celebrated. Ever. Not even if that human was Osama Bin Laden. Sure, he deserved to die for the crimes that he committed. But it shouldn't be celebrated, it should be a somber occasion, for yet another human had been taken.

Strikes me as there's far too much cheering for abortions. I think it rather sad, and I think it rather telling about our society, and much more less it's become than what it was.
 
I'm not presumptuous enough to value one over the other, or to try and force others to do so, but perhaps, for myself, strive to value them equally, as well as striving to value all humans, full stop.



Strikes me as there's far too much cheering for abortions. I think it rather sad, and I think it rather telling about our society, and much more less it's become than what it was.

That just indicates strong moral cowardice and a clear misunderstanding of at least one aspect of the abortion issue.

No one cheers for abortion. It's matter of respecting women and our right to make the best decisions for our lives, and our bodily sovereignty and our Constitutional rights. When the unborn are born, they receive the same. You, from your previous writing, would see those things superseded by (not currently recognized) rights for the unborn. Then in this post, you avoid it completely.

It is indeed telling about our society tho...that there are so many that would see women relegated to 2nd class citizens again, placing the unborn ahead of us. (Yes...and few if any of you ever admit to realizing that that is exactly what it means.)
 
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1.)I'm not presumptuous enough to value one over the other, or to try and force others to do so, but perhaps, for myself, strive to value them equally, as well as striving to value all humans, full stop.

2.) A good example.
Remember when the Seals caught up with Osama Bin Laden? When announced many people took to the streets and cheered. I didn't. I don't believe the death of a human being should be cheered or celebrated. Ever. Not even if that human was Osama Bin Laden. Sure, he deserved to die for the crimes that he committed. But it shouldn't be celebrated, it should be a somber occasion, for yet another human had been taken.

3.) Strikes me as there's far too much cheering for abortions. I think it rather sad, and I think it rather telling about our society, and much more less it's become than what it was.

1.) you say that but the facts prove you do value one more, we all do
2.) not a good example and meaningless to the discussion
3.) your subjective opinion is noted but i dont recall anybody ever cheering for "abortion"

fact remains you value the woman less . . everybody values one entity over the other the only difference is which entity and when. This fact will NEVER change. I myself want the closest thing to equal as possible too and RvW at 24 weeks is pretty much right there. id be willing to drop to 20 but id keep all the exceptions and it would really impact anything anyway.

Honest people on both sides of this topic who have integrity simply admit when and which one they pick over the other. For some reason you post lies about it. thats actually the sad part, when your point of view is based on a lie why would anybody take it seriously or even consider listening to it. in the future post with more honesty, thanks
 
That just indicates strong moral cowardice and a clear misunderstanding of at least one aspect of the abortion issue.

No one cheers for abortion. It's matter of respecting women and our bodily sovereignty and our Constitutional rights. When the unborn are born, they receive the same. You, from your previous writing, would see those things superseded by (not currently recognized) rights for the unborn. Then in this post, you avoid it completely.

No one cheers for abortion?

'A Sad and Evil Day': New York Legalizes Abortion Up to Baby's Birth ...
[url]https://www1.cbn.com/.../a-sad-and-evil-day-new-york-legalizes-abortion-up-to-baby
...[/URL]
3 days ago - The law erases New York's previous limitations on abortion which ... "New York Senate cheers today for legalization of killing a baby old ...

Gov. Pritzker Cheers Abortion at Planned Parenthood
https://illinoisfamily.org/life/pritzker-cheers-abortion-at-planned-parenthood/

3 days ago - On the 46th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker held a news conference at a Chicago Planned Parenthood office to sign ...

Could have fooled me.

Abortion is being pushed to kids as 'being OK'.



Killing another human life is OK? I'm sorry, but I see promoting such, supporting such, pitching it to kids, as just wrong.

I'd rather see more emphasis on abstention or prevention, thanks.

It is indeed telling about our society tho...that there are so many that would see women relegated to 2nd class citizens again, placing the unborn ahead of us. (Yes...and few if any of you ever admit to realizing that that is exactly what it means.)

No, I'm not seeing motherhood as relegating women to '2nd class citizens'. I find it rather twisted bit of pretzel logic and rationalization gymnastics, to be able to make the claim that motherhood as relegating women to '2nd class citizens'.
 
1.)No one cheers for abortion?
2.)Could have fooled me.
3.) Abortion is being pushed to kids as 'being OK'.
4.)Killing another human life is OK? I'm sorry, but I see promoting such, supporting such, pitching it to kids, as just wrong.
5.) I'd rather see more emphasis on abstention or prevention, thanks.
6.) No, I'm not seeing motherhood as relegating women to '2nd class citizens'. I find it rather twisted bit of pretzel logic and rationalization gymnastics, to be able to make the claim that motherhood as relegating women to '2nd class citizens'.

1.) correct nothign you showed is people sheering for "abortion", thats like claiming supporting rights against theft and robbery is cheering for people starving . . its dishonest
2.) yes you are certainly fooling yourself
3.) so when womenas rights are explained to kids that bothers you but violating woman rights including her right to life is ok with you? very interesting
4.) again why is it ok when YOU do it
5.) abstinence is a complete waste of time LMAO it can be taught as a unrealistic option after proper and full sex education . . which is being done by the way. if true education bothers you thats tough.
6.) doesn't matter what you see it has facts dont care about your feelings

fact remains you view women as a lesser and want them treated as such :shrug:
 
No one cheers for abortion?

'A Sad and Evil Day': New York Legalizes Abortion Up to Baby's Birth ...
[url]https://www1.cbn.com/.../a-sad-and-evil-day-new-york-legalizes-abortion-up-to-baby
...[/URL]
3 days ago - The law erases New York's previous limitations on abortion which ... "New York Senate cheers today for legalization of killing a baby old ...

Gov. Pritzker Cheers Abortion at Planned Parenthood
https://illinoisfamily.org/life/pritzker-cheers-abortion-at-planned-parenthood/

3 days ago - On the 46th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker held a news conference at a Chicago Planned Parenthood office to sign ...

Could have fooled me.

Those arent people cheering for abortion, how dishonest do you have to be? The one creating such a title is especially dishonest.

But of course if you think being happy about respect and bodily sovereignty and equality for women is wrong, that's nothing to be proud of.
 
Those arent people cheering for abortion, how dishonest do you have to be? The one creating such a title is especially dishonest.

I'm not being dishonest. Direct quote from the citation: "New York Senate cheers today for legalization of killing a baby".

Celebrated the ability to kill the unborn by turning pink lights on buildings, I hear.

But of course if you think being happy about respect and bodily sovereignty and equality for women is wrong, that's nothing to be proud of.

What does 'equality for women' have to do with abortion?

I still stand on my preference for prevention rather than abortion.
 
Abortion is being pushed to kids as 'being OK'.

Killing another human life is OK? I'm sorry, but I see promoting such, supporting such, pitching it to kids, as just wrong.

I'd rather see more emphasis on abstention or prevention, thanks.

Of course abortion is ok if a woman decides she needs it. It's a safer, legal medical procedure. :doh Why teach kids something that would make them feel even worse about a necessary, difficult decision? Wow, how early do you want the judgement and punishment to be for girls? You have yet to tell me by what authority you claim abortion is wrong....and yet here you are all outraged because YOUR personal beliefs arent being forced on them?

So example one: total loss of credibility because you imply that kids are NOT taught abstinence OR that sex is being promoted in any way.

No, I'm not seeing motherhood as relegating women to '2nd class citizens'. I find it rather twisted bit of pretzel logic and rationalization gymnastics, to be able to make the claim that motherhood as relegating women to '2nd class citizens'.

Example 2: I really thought more highly of your intellect. But it appears you are incapable of realizing what such laws created to protect the unborn life would do *in reality* to women's lives and Constitutional rights and how that would affect all women AND society.

How exactly can the law protect women's Constitutional rights, bodily sovereignty, our lives...while doing the exact same for the unborn? And why do you believe the unborn are more entitled to those exact same things than women?

Or are you still refusing to acknowledge that the unborn and born cannot be treated equally...legally or ethically. Do you understand this fact? Yes or no?
 
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