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TheRepublican said:

So can someone please tell me what’s the difference between the morning after pill and abortion. Because I would have to agree after that 4 weeks to the 8 weeks is pushing it. Andrew Cuomo more like I cannot say just private message me if you want to know. I try to stay away from this one because I truly believe that this should be a woman decision but yet, I have a thought that women would probably use it as a birth control

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A morning after pill just delays the release of the egg a few to several days thus giving the sperm time to die.
If the egg has already been released and in her body if it meets the sperm the spree can still fertilize the egg and the pill does not interfere with implantion thus she will become pregnant.

An abortion pill is actually 2 or more pills of different medications taken a day or two apart.

Abortion pills are taken up to about 8 or 9 weeks of pregnancy.

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Abortion pill” is the common name for using two different medicines to end a pregnancy: mifepristone and misoprostol.

First, you take a pill called mifepristone. Pregnancy needs a hormone called progesterone to grow normally. Mifepristone blocks your body’s own progesterone, stopping the pregnancy from growing.

Then you take the second medicine, misoprostol, either right away or up to 48 hours later. This medicine causes cramping and bleeding to empty your uterus. It’s kind of like having a really heavy, crampy period, and the process is very similar to an early miscarriage.

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The Abortion Pill | Get the Facts About Medication Abortion

maquiscat said:

An abortion is a procedure that removes an implanted ZEF from the woman's womb. There are several different methods available. You'll have to look them up.

The morning after pill, also commonly know by the Plan B brand name, is a drug that prevents the ZEF from implanting. Sort of a temporary chemical IUD.

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Actually The morning after pill just delays ovulation.

The morning after pill ( plan B ) is a synthetic of the hormone progesterone which is actually used in Invitro treatments to help the pre embryo implant or help keep a woman from miscarriage who has had problems carrying a pregnancy to term.

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Scrabaholic said:

None of those forbid it. You might want to learn your own religion's holy book.

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I dont have a religion. I am stating what it says nothing more. Could you please list the first commandment? Then we can discuss the catechism.

minnie616 said:

Actually The morning after pill just delays ovulation.

The morning after pill ( plan B ) is a synthetic of the hormone progesterone which is actually used in Invitro treatments to help the pre embryo implant or help keep a woman from miscarriage who has had problems carrying a pregnancy to term.

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So the pill could be ineffective? If the egg has already released, Plan B won't work?

Edit: NM. Just saw the post above.

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Re: Language, language

southwest88 said:

Nope, the religious loyalty of the politically devoted is your trope, not mine.

PC Police is somebody's turn of phrase. Limbaugh? I forget, I've seen it off & on for decades now.

Yah, Carlin was an interesting guy - he was mining the same material as George Orwell, but Orwell actually put his life on the line. Carlin worked very hard @ his craft, apparently all the time.

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Yup...

Re: A misnomer, really

southwest88 said:

Yep, what I stated previously.

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I wrote that American Slavery was illegal after the Emancipation Proclamation. It was.

I did not write that it was made illegal BY the Emancipation Proclamation.

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minnie616 said:

From PubMed:

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"From PubMed:


Abortion was frequently practiced in North America during the period from 1600 to 1900. Many tribal societies knew how to induce abortions. They used a variety of methods including the use of black root and cedar root as abortifacient agents. During the colonial period, the legality of abortion varied from colony to colony and reflected the attitude of the European country which controlled the specific colony. In the British colonies abortions were legal if they were performed prior to quickening."

Sounds like the colonies felt this was a States Rights issue as later defined by the Tenth Amendment.

Re: A misnomer, really

code1211 said:

I wrote that American Slavery was illegal after the Emancipation Proclamation. It was.

I did not write that it was made illegal BY the Emancipation Proclamation.

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In the US? No, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to those slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, then in rebellion against the United States. (The border states still loyal to the US were still slave states - Pres. Lincoln didn't want to make life difficult for the administrations of those states.) This was why, up to this point, Lincoln had always overruled his generals when they announced the emancipation of slaves in their military districts.

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southwest88 said:

In the US? No, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to those slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, then in rebellion against the United States. (The border states still loyal to the US were still slave states - Pres. Lincoln didn't want to make life difficult for the administrations of those states.) This was why, up to this point, Lincoln had always overruled his generals when they announced the emancipation of slaves in their military districts.

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And after the Emancipation Proclamation was issued, was the practice of slavery ever made illegal?

Re: Precedent stands; in this case, life changed

Any answers here?

code1211 said:

The real world affects law only as it changes law.

The injustice of slavery was injustice both before and after the Emancipation Proclamation.

It was illegal only AFTERward.

Morality and legality intersect only as a byproduct of expediency.

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Since both cannot be treated equally under the law, society MUST make a decision if they are going to legislate abortion.

Because there are severe impacts on either if the law favors one over the other (which it must).

So it's still subjective....morally, who says the life of the unborn is more valuable than the life of the woman? And I'm not talking about a heartbeat, breathing. A life is more than just breathing, it's the entirety of a life and all that goes with it. Quality of life vs quantity.

What about the lives of women in a society where our rights are continually violated by govt intrusion? (Any change in reproductive status or decisions or miscarriage would open us up to unConstitutional violations.) Women and girls knowing that their rights are superseded by the unborn, that we are not as valued in society as the unborn or males? Where is there any morality in forcing women to remain pregnant? Women and girls are aware of their status and their pain and suffering. Obviously the unborn are not harmed in this way. Would this pain and suffering and disrespect intentionally endorsed by law be 'moral?'

And then think about the effects of this on society. Women as 2nd class citizens again. It would be very harmful. There are no negative effects on society by legalized abortion. If there are, can you list them?

It's hard to imagine the legal justifications for this that would be Constitutional. What would SCOTUS consider to change their decision that the unborn are not persons and have no rights?