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Serious and Honest Question For Pro-Life Men

minnie616 said:
It seeem that a higher percentage of blacks may have unplanned pregnancies.
Perhaps they cannot afford the more reliable long term birth control which costs about $800 to $1000 upfront but has less than a 1 percent typical failure rate. Most female birth control pills or male condoms have a 5 percent typical fail rate.

That means out of 100 couples who use the male control or a female birth control as their means of birth control 5 of those women will become pregnant in a years time.

It’s more about the cost of the birth control not the race of the woman.
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QUOTE=minnie616;1069398351]It seeem that a higher percentage of blacks may have unplanned pregnancies.
Perhaps they cannot afford the more reliable long term birth control which costs about $800 to $1000 upfront but has less than a 1 percent typical failure rate. Most female birth control pills or male condoms have a 5 percent typical fail rate.
l others in average. And it's by the way a typical male attitude to make women pregnant.

That means out of 100 couples who use the male control or a female birth control as their means of birth control 5 of those women will become pregnant in a years time.

It’s more about the cost of the birth control not the race of the woman.[/QUOTE]

You are really funny. It is racism when black women have not the same money as all others in average. And it's by the way a typical male attitude to make women pregnant. What about the money of the fathers?
 
Lionman said:
QUOTE=minnie616;1069398351]It seeem that a higher percentage of blacks may have unplanned pregnancies.
Perhaps they cannot afford the more reliable long term birth control which costs about $800 to $1000 upfront but has less than a 1 percent typical failure rate. Most female birth control pills or male condoms have a 5 percent typical fail rate.
l others in average. And it's by the way a typical male attitude to make women pregnant.

That means out of 100 couples who use the male control or a female birth control as their means of birth control 5 of those women will become pregnant in a years time.

It’s more about the cost of the birth control not the race of the woman.
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You are really funny. It is racism when black women have not the same money as all others in average. And it's by the way a typical male attitude to make women pregnant. What about the money of the fathers?[/QUOTE]

How is it racism?
 
Lionman said:
minnie616 said:
It seeem that a higher percentage of blacks may have unplanned pregnancies.
Perhaps they cannot afford the more reliable long term birth control which costs about $800 to $1000 upfront but has less than a 1 percent typical failure rate. Most female birth control pills or male condoms have a 5 percent typical fail rate.
l others in average. And it's by the way a typical male attitude to make women pregnant.

That means out of 100 couples who use the male control or a female birth control as their means of birth control 5 of those women will become pregnant in a years time.

It’s more about the cost of the birth control not the race of the woman.
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You are really funny. It is racism when black women have not the same money as all others in average. And it's by the way a typical male attitude to make women pregnant. What about the money of the fathers?
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Really? It is only because of Racism that someone does not have the same average income as others?


So education , studying, willing to learn skills , putting in long hours has nothing to with making money?

My hubby and I taught our children to study hard in school to get the skills they needed for college and told them to choose their careers cafefully and put our 4 children through college.

I always thought that education was part of the key to success.

But now you tell me income equally has nothing to do education and hard work, or skills . You say income inequality is racism ?
 
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Apparently, you like to make up your own definitions for those terms, or you allow the wild-eyed screamers do it for you. To me, Pro-life means one respects the sanctity of life, and only take life in extreme circumstances. Health of the mother, quality of future life of the unborn, and also murder, war, etc. It has nothing to do with the illegality of 'elective' abortions, which should without a doubt be illegal UNLESS extreme circumstances are in play. No more, no less. Are you really "Conservative"?
Scrabaholic said:
Pro choice means you want elective abortion to be/remain legal.

"Pro life" means you want elective abortion to be made illegal.

No more, no less.
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Scrabaholic said:
If you are not a vegan, then you break that commandment every time you eat meat.
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Again: I do not eat unborn human beings, who have a right to live. But your industry of death is perhaps doing so. What should a vegan living human being not use if he or she likes not to use material from the body of another human being, who was killed unborn?
 
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Fishking said:
Because the babies are ours as well and babies and killing the most innocent among us should be something that no one with a shred of decency should be OK with.
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Do men in America know when they have sex with a woman that they have no legal rights regarding her decision on the pregnancy? Of course.

So they should not expect to have a say in it and if they want a kid with a woman, that's a decision they should make together. If they want more input into that decision, they should discuss it with a woman (most likely in a committed relationship) first.

And since the great majority of elective abortions are from consensual sex where contraception failed and/or the intent was not pregnancy (but recreational), then it's silly to believe a man should have a say in it as the expectations initially were clearly to NOT create a kid.

But I call total BS that there are alot of men out there having sex and hoping to get a kid out of it that are not in committed relationships (or that would want one when NOT in such a relationship). It's just BS emotional manipulation. They didnt go into it wanting a kid, so let's not pretend otherwise.

As for 'innocence,' well if you value the innocence of a vacuum, emptiness, then that's your prerogative. The unborn cant act, cant even form intent, so they arent innocent, they're empty vessels...their 'innocence' is no different than that of a couch or flower. Again, if you find value in that, good for you but it doesnt provide you with any moral High Ground. Many of us dont view women as guilty...nor do we see it as moral to use force of law to make us remain pregnant against our will.
 
smallvoice said:
Apparently, you like to make up your own definitions for those terms, or you allow the wild-eyed screamers do it for you. To me, Pro-life means one respects the sanctity of life, and only take life in extreme circumstances. Health of the mother, quality of future life of the unborn, and also murder, war, etc. It has nothing to do with the illegality of 'elective' abortions, which should without a doubt be illegal UNLESS extreme circumstances are in play. No more, no less. Are you really "Conservative"?
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Yes, I am conservative. ffs.

pro-life
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opposed to the belief that a pregnant woman should have the freedom to choose an abortion (= the intentional ending of pregnancy) if she does not want to have a baby

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pro-life
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Lionman said:
Again: I do not eat unborn human beings, who have a right to live. But your industry of death is perhaps doing so. What should a vegan living human being not use if he or she likes not to use material from the body of another human being, who was killed unborn?
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I have no idea what you are trying to say.
 
MerriamWebster does not address the freedom to choose an abortion as "Pro-life", instead that source addresses it as "opposed to abortion", a significant nuance Pro-choicers want to ignore. In that context, Pro-choice becomes pro-abortion, or 'abortion on demand'.
 
smallvoice said:
It seems that you make the decision for the unborn, which immediately became your responsibility when you became pregnant. I have yet to find a religion or dogma that has so little value for any human life that it condones abortion for convenience. It is clearly the woman's selfish choice, and nothing to do with the life of the unborn.

I agree that in the cases of incest or danger to the viability of the mother or the unborn, abortion is a rational option. The whims of the mother are not.
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If the unborn is 'a child,' why is it acceptable to kill it in the womb after rape or incest or because of the mother's health?
 
Logicman said:
Well, there's a modern day Holocaust going on - the extermination of 40-50 million innocent unborn babies. And there is a God who is late in bring Judgment on the U.S. and other nations because of this bloodshed.

And there will likely be a whole bunch of unrepentant abortionists and those who offer up their babies for slaughter who I believe will have a tough time answering for their bloodshed at the final Judgment. Be warned.
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Always trying to scare using religion. As we become more educated this tactic no longer works. I'm sure you will keep trying. Good luck.
 
Lionman said:
Thou shalt not kill
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There's plenty of justified killing, even in the Bible.

Self-defense, war, abortion.

Valuing the unborn more than women is certainly no moral High Ground.

A life is more than just breathing, we're talking about a future and self-determination.

Why would the unborn be 'more' entitled to that than women? Just because you choose to disapprove of her decision to have sex? Too bad! That's *your personal* belief.
 
Who said it was acceptable? I merely intimated that it's should not be black and white.
Lursa said:
If the unborn is 'a child,' why is it acceptable to kill it in the womb after rape or incest or because of the mother's health?
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Lionman said:
So why not to give every child a manger instead to abort it? Send them to kindergarten, school and colleges. Why is it so important to violate their human right to live in case of this totally innocent human beings, who have no chance to defend themselves? Why are you their enemy?
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That would be great! So then why are there already over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted in the US?

And you believe that it would be morally 'better' to produce MORE unwanted/unaffordable kids? More kids that would either be homeless or reduce the chances of those other kids waiting for families? Those kids are aware, hoping, waiting. THEY suffer.

But you seem to believe that MORE homeless kids would be 'better?' On what planet? Please do explain how you justify that?

Some of us believe in quality of life over quantity.

Edit: btw, I'm not clicking on any...zero...of your videos.
 
Lionman said:
So why not to give every child a manger instead to abort it? Send them to kindergarten, school and colleges. Why is it so important to violate their human right to live in case of this totally innocent human beings, who have no chance to defend themselves? Why are you their enemy?
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Please click here: World Population Clock: 7.7 Billion People (2018) - Worldometers

When that clock starts counting down, and continues down for a few decades or more, maybe then I'll start to worry about quantity over quality.
 
smallvoice said:
Apparently, you like to make up your own definitions for those terms, or you allow the wild-eyed screamers do it for you. To me, Pro-life means one respects the sanctity of life, and only take life in extreme circumstances. Health of the mother, quality of future life of the unborn, and also murder, war, etc. It has nothing to do with the illegality of 'elective' abortions, which should without a doubt be illegal UNLESS extreme circumstances are in play. No more, no less. Are you really "Conservative"?
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What about the life of the mother? Nearly 1000 women/yr in the US die from pregnancy/childbirth every year. Another 86,000 nearly die or suffer from extreme health damage (stroke, kidney failure, aneurysm, pre-eclampsia, etc).

It's not predictable or preventable (obviously). So you nor the govt have any right to demand a woman take such significant risks with her life against her will.

Unless you believe that women's lives are less valuable than the unborn's? If so, then again...you hold no moral High Ground valuing the unborn more than women. (Except IMO, I'd speculate you do so by 'blaming bad women' for choosing to have sex and thus...it's ok to judge them...because you believe they're 'bad.' Guess what? That's your opinion, and you dont get to force it on anyone else.)
 
smallvoice said:
Who said it was acceptable? I merely intimated that it's should not be black and white.
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So then abortion is not acceptable in cases of rape, incest, mother's health in danger?


And nobody has says it's black and white. You were the one that called out the above scenarios.
 
Lionman said:
Thou shalt not kill

All religious rules are nothing without respect for life.
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So governments are committing a commandment violation when sending men and women into war. When Courts order death sentences. When law enforcement uses fatal force. When someone illegally enters a private home with mal-intent and a resident is forced to protect themselves and kill the intruder. Etc, etc, etc...

“Thy Shall Not Kill”, raises so many unclear, undefined situations that weren’t included on the tablet(s).
 
I covered the life of the mother when I included "health of the mother" ij my exclusions, so I'm not sure what point you tried to make. No one has ever demanded that any woman take "such significant risks with her life against her will". I believe that the life of the unborn is equal to the life of the mother, and have no problem with abortions that address such issues AT ALL. However, abortion as late term birth control is really off the "High Moral Ground" and what I find repugnant about the "Pro-choice" gang.
Lursa said:
What about the life of the mother? Nearly 1000 women/yr in the US die from pregnancy/childbirth every year. Another 86,000 nearly die or suffer from extreme health damage (stroke, kidney failure, aneurysm, pre-eclampsia, etc).

It's not predictable or preventable (obviously). So you nor the govt have any right to demand a woman take such significant risks with her life against her will.

Unless you believe that women's lives are less valuable than the unborn's? If so, then again...you hold no moral High Ground valuing the unborn more than women. (Except IMO, I'd speculate you do so by 'blaming bad women' for choosing to have sex and thus...it's ok to judge them...because you believe they're 'bad.' Guess what? That's your opinion, and you dont get to force it on anyone else.)
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