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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    You're a Progressive, that's what you do.
    You answered but I didn't see a yes or no. Tell me I'm wrong that if republicans had their way they would overturn roe.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    You answered but I didn't see a yes or no. Tell me I'm wrong that if republicans had their way they would overturn roe.
    I doubt it. Possibly late-term or partial birth, but most conservatives I know support abortion in at least some circumstances. Without Roe the decision falls on the states and I'm guessing most if not all would permit it.


    I also think that after decades of precedence SCOTUS would follow stare decisis and let Roe stand.


    That answer your question?

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    I doubt it. Possibly late-term or partial birth, but most conservatives I know support abortion in at least some circumstances. Without Roe the decision falls on the states and I'm guessing most if not all would permit it.


    I also think that after decades of precedence SCOTUS would follow stare decisis and let Roe stand.


    That answer your question?
    Yes it does. Don't buy it but yes thank you.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    Yes it does. Don't buy it but yes thank you.
    You have a right to disagree. I'm not saying the right has had an epiphany; there are still some hard core anti-abortion folks out there but I've seen many more conservatives that are social libs lately; the support gay rights and abortion along with low taxes and strong defense.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The science of Lursa: A shoe box holds tens of millions of peas.

    Even if every human killed in an abortion weighed as much as a pea (hint: they don't) they would weigh a combined total of 10 metric tons. How big are your feet?
    Why are you disputing the size/weight of the aborted unborn? They are pea-sized or less when 97.5% of them are aborted. How will that equal 10 metric tons? Please show your work.

    Er, you sure shouldnt be criticizing my science knowledge or math skills.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope, it is actually based on fact. I just have a clearer view of what abortion is than your walled off, antiseptic, actuarial view of what abortion is.

    It kills living humans. It has killed tens of millions of living humans in the past 50 years. That is what you support.
    Abortions have been happening since the early Greek days. In the early 1930s over 800,000 abortions occurred each year even though abortions were not legal. That’s more abortions per year than occurred in the US during 2014 even though in 2014 our population was more than twice the amount in the 1930s.

    Making abortions legal not only save many women’s life’s. It also lowers the rate of abortions thus saving many unborn from being aborted.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    My support of abortion rights is predominantly pragmatic. Unwanted children are a burden on society: our foster care and public schools systems are already underfunded and failing in many areas. Without proper care, such children are likely to grow up emotionally disturbed or with educational deficiencies or delinquent, imposing further burdens on society. I believe it was Freakanomics that posited that there was a correlation between Roe v Wade and the modern decrease in crime we have experienced since the 80s. Whether you believe that or not, it cannot be denied that dealing with children who are not wanted by their parents comes at a significant cost in an already overpopulated world.

    Second, I simply do not feel that termination of a fetus — a small collection of human cells which in its earliest stages is far less complex than the trees we cut down at will or the flies we squash without a second thought, and which even in intermediate stages is still far less complex than animals we breed and slaughter for meet and clothing — is an inherently unjustifiable act.

    But controversial as these opinions may be, and I know how passionately many will disagree, I am more curious to know what pro-lifers’ views are on the practical problems that anti-abortion policy presents. What alternatives policies would you support to control out-of-control population in a world where the need for human labor is becoming less and less critical, and yet more and more people are being born? Where overpopulation is already destroying our environment and creating friction between expanding cultures?
    First, there is no such thing as an unwanted child. When two people take part in the process that creates one, knowing it could be the result despite any and all things done to prevent it,they can't claim it's unwanted. They can claim it was not the intention but the unwanted goes away as soon as the act that creates it takes place. If you don't want something, you don't do what it takes for that to happen.

    Secondly, termination an unborn child because it's inconvenient to you is never justification for doing so. Calling it a fetus only lessens the severity of what is being done in the mind of the one doing it or who support those doing it. Personally, I put humans on a much higher level than trees and flies. Maybe you don't.

    A suggest a little self control and personal responsibility for choices. It's not someone else's place to come up with solutions for what other people do. Too often the mindset is I did something and it caused a problem but it's up to you to figure out how to solve it.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by CFI302 View Post
    First, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
    This is 100% wrong. Today in the US there are over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted (not just in foster care, but available for adoption). To encourage MORE unwanted, unaffordable kids to be born, with nowhere to go, is unconscionable IMO. While the cute little infant might get adopted, then it means an older child, waiting and hoping for a family wont get one. These kids are all aware of their situation, the unborn knows nothing.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    You can think that I am stupid all you want. It won't stop me from being racist.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This is 100% wrong. Today in the US there are over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted (not just in foster care, but available for adoption). To encourage MORE unwanted, unaffordable kids to be born, with nowhere to go, is unconscionable IMO. While the cute little infant might get adopted, then it means an older child, waiting and hoping for a family wont get one. These kids are all aware of their situation, the unborn knows nothing.
    So, if you go to a bank and complete the process of buying a house, are you claiming you didn't want the house?

    I don't encourage more children, I encourage people that make a choice to do what it take to produce one accept the responsibility of providing for it instead of taking the easy way out and killing it.

    What you seem to be doing is supporting abortion because what someone produced is inconvenient.

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    Re: If anti-abortion, would you support other forms of population control?

    Quote Originally Posted by CFI302 View Post
    So, if you go to a bank and complete the process of buying a house, are you claiming you didn't want the house?
    Are you claiming that every time couples have sex, they want a kid?

    And I see you completely avoided answering the questions in my post. Why is that? How are you justifying producing more and more unwanted/unaffordable kids when there are so many already aware and hoping for a family?
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    You can think that I am stupid all you want. It won't stop me from being racist.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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