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[W:103]Abortion is legal

RileyCoyote said:
Nope, not gonna do it....you will just have to deal with what I think on your own.
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You cannot do it...and I did deal with it. The rebuttal to your post is here for others to read as well.

Again, it's a discussion forum.
 
soylentgreen said:
Yes your words were. That you need to twist and bend words to pretend you have the higher moral ground is ridiculous. Try not doing it again.
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I don't take orders from you.
 
Lursa said:
You cannot do it...and I did deal with it. The rebuttal to your post is here for others to read as well.

Again, it's a discussion forum.
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Big deal. Hope you are mad that I don't want to discuss your opinions with you, lol.
 
Lursa said:
I'm not angry, you seem to be. I am here to debate...and you clearly are not capable of assimilating new information that does not conform to your rigid, tightly held beliefs.
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Were you looking into a mirror when you typed that out?
 
RileyCoyote said:
Big deal. Hope you are mad that I don't want to discuss your opinions with you, lol.
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Please discuss the topic, not me. That shows a complete lack of ability to support your position.

It's a discussion forum...do you have anything else to contribute to the topic?
 
RileyCoyote said:
Were you looking into a mirror when you typed that out?
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Of course not...I have posted facts and opinion on the topic and you have chosen to go to personal attacks instead of actually debating them.

So it's not an accurate reversal at all.

Again, instead of posting about me...please discuss the topic.
 
Lursa said:
Please discuss the topic, not me. That shows a complete lack of ability to support your position.

It's a discussion forum...do you have anything else to contribute to the topic?
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Dude, you are never going to change my opinion. Why don't you get that? I am not interested in hearing your "statistics" about abortion. No offense. We just have differing beliefs and I recognize you have the right to yours and I feel no need to argue with you because it is pointless. I don't want to discuss abortion with angry people who are mad all the time. I don't want to be angry, so I don't argue with liberals. I just come here to voice my opinion and, even better, I allow people to have theirs without getting angry and feeling the need to sling poo. Yes, I do sling poo on elected officials and public personaliti s, but I am not interested in fighting with strangers on the internet all the time. Not to say that I don't give back, but I don't instigate confrontation. I can't help if my strong opinions hurt those who disagree. I am direct and forward and don't believe in sugar coating stuff. I just tell it like I see it.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Slavery was wrong and that was corrected. Abortion used to be illegal. That was wrong and it was corrected.
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It was not wrong. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a live human, it's murder. The current laws are wrong.

Scrabaholic said:
Why would you mandate they lie to their patients? Abortion is not, nor has ever been in the history of your country (if you are in the USA) or mine.
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They would not be lying.

Scrabaholic said:
Speak for yourself. Some of us are talking about legality.
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You shouldn't be. Laws cannot decide for us whether abortion is murder or not. They can only decide whether it is legal or not.
 
RileyCoyote said:
Dude, you are never going to change my opinion. Why don't you get that? I am not interested in hearing your "statistics" about abortion. No offense. We just have differing beliefs and I recognize you have the right to yours and I feel no need to argue with you because it is pointless. I don't want to discuss abortion with angry people who are mad all the time. I don't want to be angry, so I don't argue with liberals. I just come here to voice my opinion and, even better, I allow people to have theirs without getting angry and feeling the need to sling poo. Yes, I do sling poo on elected officials and public personaliti s, but I am not interested in fighting with strangers on the internet all the time. Not to say that I don't give back, but I don't instigate confrontation. I can't help if my strong opinions hurt those who disagree. I am direct and forward and don't believe in sugar coating stuff. I just tell it like I see it.
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Your opinions dont 'hurt' me, dont be ridiculous. You are not even one of the more extreme pro-life people to post here...just one that refuses to actually support their position of 'assumed' moral High Ground.

It's a discussion forum. If you dont want to debate...we've seen your rigid proclamations on the subject. Fine by me.
 
Wan said:
It was not wrong. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a live human, it's murder. The current laws are wrong.
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That is your subjective opinion. Mine disagrees. And once again, abortion is not murder. Never has been in Canada or the USA.



They would not be lying.
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Yeah, it would.


You shouldn't be. Laws cannot decide for us whether abortion is murder or not. They can only decide whether it is legal or not.
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You don't get to determine what I should or shouldn't be interested in discussing. All I care about is legality. You can believe it's wrong all you want, matters not to me as long as you are not trying to prevent me from aborting, should I choose to do so.
 
Scrabaholic said:
That is your subjective opinion. Mine disagrees. And once again, abortion is not murder. Never has been in Canada or the USA.
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Is there any reason why you think the deliberate killing of a live human is not murder?

Yeah, it would.
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No, it would not.

This is getting stupid, though.

You don't get to determine what I should or shouldn't be interested in discussing.
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You can indeed talk about whatever you want, and I can keep telling you that you are wrong, which you are.

All I care about is legality.
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Sounds to me you are letting laws dictate morality to you. If the laws say abortion is not illegal, then to you it's not murder.

What would you do if one day pro-lifers got into political power and they changed the laws such that abortion is now illegal? Would you now change your tune and say that abortion is murder?
 
Wan said:
Is there any reason why you think the deliberate killing of a live human is not murder?
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Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder.


You can indeed talk about whatever you want, and I can keep telling you that you are wrong, which you are.
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It is your OPINION that I am wrong, not fact.



Sounds to me you are letting laws dictate morality to you. If the laws say abortion is not illegal, then to you it's not murder.
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It is FACT that it is not murder. Has nothing to do with morality.


What would you do if one day pro-lifers got into political power and they changed the laws such that abortion is now illegal? Would you now change your tune and say that abortion is murder?
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It would only be murder if codified as such in law. Thankfully, that won't happen in my country.
 
Wan said:
Is there any reason why you think the deliberate killing of a live human is not murder?
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Because murder implies that it is an unjustified criminal act.

And things like self-defense, killing in war, and abortion are all justifiable from a moral standpoint for most of American society. And 'justifiable' does not equal 'liking' something. Justifiable implies necessity among other things.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person.
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That is your definition of murder. I use a different one. Namely: murder is the deliberate killing of a human by another human.

If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder.
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Yes it can. It merely means it is now a form of murder that has been legalised.

It is your OPINION that I am wrong, not fact.
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So what it's an opinion?

It is FACT that it is not murder. Has nothing to do with morality.
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Its a fact to you and your ilk only. To some of us, abortion is murder.

It would only be murder if codified as such in law. Thankfully, that won't happen in my country.
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I noticed that you dodged my question. So I will ask it again:

What would you do if one day pro-lifers got into political power and they changed the laws such that abortion is now illegal? Would you now change your tune and say that abortion is murder? Yes or no.
 
RileyCoyote said:
I see how the left operates in here and I am not interested in convincing you to think like me. Abortion is legal, why are you so angry? Never mind, I am not really interested in your answer. lol
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Abortion is legal in the United States before viability.

They are a part of our religious liberty.

From the Religious Coaliation for Reproductive Choice

Religious Liberty
Our religious principles: We are attuned to the important role of our diverse faiths in personal and public life. We treasure the religious freedom guaranteed Americans since our nation’s founding.

Our advocacy position: Good policy allows people of all religions to follow their own faiths and consciences in their own lives. In reproductive health, rights and justice, we define religious liberty as the right of a woman to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family and her faith. The religious beliefs of others should not interfere.
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The Moral Case – Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
 
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Wan said:
What would you do if one day pro-lifers got into political power and they changed the laws such that abortion is now illegal? Would you now change your tune and say that abortion is murder? Yes or no.
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Yes it would be murder. And that charge would be morally wrong, as well as unjustified under the Constitution, based on its violation of women's Constitutional rights.

Hence...abortion is not murder in the US :2wave:
 
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Wan said:
That is your definition of murder. I use a different one. Namely: murder is the deliberate killing of a human by another human.
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No, it's the actual definition of murder.


murder noun
mur·​der | \ˈmər-dər \
Definition of murder (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
was convicted of murder
2a : something very difficult or dangerous
the traffic was murder
carrying the luggage was murder on my back
b : something outrageous or blameworthy
getting away with murder
3 : a flock of crows
There's a reason the proper term for a flock of them is a murder of crows, and it's not because we like having them around.
— Jeffrey Kluger
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder



murder
NOUN
mass noun
1The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

‘the brutal murder of a German holidaymaker’
‘he was put on trial for attempted murder’
More example sentencesSynonyms
2informal A very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.

‘the 40-mile-per-hour winds at the summit were murder’
Synonyms
3count noun A group of crows.

‘a murder of crows flew past the window’

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/murder
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Need more citations? I can provide them.



Yes it can. It merely means it is now a form of murder that has been legalised.
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Abortion has never been murder in the history of Canada or the USA. But thanks for admitting that abortion is not murder.




Its a fact to you and your ilk only. To some of us, abortion is murder.
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But you said it isn't.





I noticed that you dodged my question. So I will ask it again:

What would you do if one day pro-lifers got into political power and they changed the laws such that abortion is now illegal? Would you now change your tune and say that abortion is murder? Yes or no.
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I did answer it. Did you not read it?
 
Scrabaholic said:
No, it's the actual definition of murder.

Need more citations? I can provide them.

Abortion has never been murder in the history of Canada or the USA. But thanks for admitting that abortion is not murder.

But you said it isn't.

I did answer it. Did you not read it?
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I posted all that and more for her before but she has me on Ignore since failing that time.

IMO, this is key:

Wan said:
Is there any reason why you think the deliberate killing of a live human is not murder?
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Because murder implies that it is an unjustified criminal act.

And things like self-defense, killing in war, and abortion are all justifiable from a moral standpoint for most of American society. And 'justifiable' does not equal 'liking' something. Justifiable implies necessity among other things.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
No, it's the actual definition of murder.

Need more citations? I can provide them.
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That is ONE definition. But the definition I use is a different one, and no, just because I am in the extreme minority, it does not mean my definition must be wrong.


Abortion has never been murder in the history of Canada or the USA.
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We are probably not talking about the same thing. But anyway, I know that in the US at least, abortion used to be illegal.

But thanks for admitting that abortion is not murder.
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I didn't admit to anything. Abortion is murder.

But you said it isn't.
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No I didn't. I say it is.


I did answer it. Did you not read it?
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Your did not answer it. It was a "yes or no" question but your response included neither a "yes" nor a "no". Therefore, you are dodging.
 
Wan said:
That is ONE definition. But the definition I use is a different one, and no, just because I am in the extreme minority, it does not mean my definition must be wrong.
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Great....please provide a source that defines murder 'your way.
 
Wan said:
That is ONE definition. But the definition I use is a different one, and no, just because I am in the extreme minority, it does not mean my definition must be wrong.
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Please provide a source for you definition.


We are probably not talking about the same thing. But anyway, I know that in the US at least, abortion used to be illegal.
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Yes, but was not murder.



Your did not answer it. It was a "yes or no" question but your response included neither a "yes" nor a "no". Therefore, you are dodging.
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I did answer it. I will not go back and forth on it. Have the last word if you must.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Please provide a source for you definition.
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Here: murder is the deliberate killing of a human by another human. And abortion is the deliberately killing of the unborn, which is a live human. Therefore, abortion is murder.

Yes, but was not murder.
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How did you know that people from those by-gone times did not consider abortion to be murder?



I did answer it.
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No you did not. It was a "yes or no" question but your response included neither a yes nor a no.

I will not go back and forth on it.
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And its because you want to shield yourself from your own massive failure.

Have the last word if you must.
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You stole this line from me.
 
Wan said:
Here: murder is the deliberate killing of a human by another human. And abortion is the deliberately killing of the unborn, which is a live human. Therefore, abortion is murder.
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We asked for a source. :doh What is the source of your definition?

You are not a source, you are just making stuff up.

If not, prove it by providing an actual published definition :roll:
 
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